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This is not related to the point I am making brother. I am not questioning if Jesus is God for the purposes of this discussion, I am questioning if the human representative of God is all good.

Jesus, the Son said He should not be called good, when compared to the Entity known as the Trinity…
You include Jesus as one of the many created representatives of God, so this is related.

You are reading into the text that Jesus said that He should not be called good. No
where does it say that, but why did the man call Jesus good? Did the rich man un-
derstand that Jesus is the very God who created all things? Of course not, and that
was what Jesus was addressing.

NO ONE is good except for God. What separates Jesus and Abraham is that Jesus is
God and Abraham is not God. Therefore, Jesus is Good, while Abraham was not Good.
 
This is the concern. When one READS the Bible, all sorts of conclusions result.
Which denomination of Christianity should I join if I choose to be a Christian?
Wise observation, as Peter does warn us about private interpretations and laying
the Scriptures to our own destruction. As to what church to join, I would find out
in through Scripture:
youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5tEzXxSvs
Everyone READS the Bible.

God said thats enough, lets UNITE in Truth…
Only God READS the Bible correctly…
Not really, no, yes God reads the Bible perfectly, it coming from him, but
many people will misunderstand the texts. If I’m right about Jesus, you’re
wrong. If I’m wrong, then YOU are right. How do we understand John 1:1?
Differently, that’s how. I say that it means Jesus is God. You say different,
clearly only one of us is right there.
Yes I read it fully before. Nowhere does it say that if your husband is not loving that wives should not be submissive.
But that is the implication of the text. You are taking advantage of the negative silence
to draw to you’re own conclusions, making the Bible say something that it doesn’t say.
Paul sets a high standard for husbands to achieve in moral excellence and righteousness, yet, never gives the woman a “buy-out clause”
Meaning what?
 
You include Jesus as one of the many created representatives of God, so this is related.
Baha’u’llah and the Bab were not created. They too are the Alpha and the Omega.
Baha’u’llah sent Jesus to humanity.

What He says goes…
You are reading into the text that Jesus said that He should not be called good. No
where does it say that,
He says it here : “Why do you call me good?” and then proceeds to present His position by saying who is, in actuality, good.

“Why do you call me a painter? No one is a painter but Vincent Van Gogh”
(this means in relative terms I am not as good a painter as he)

“Why do you call me evil? No one is evil but Adolf Hitler”
(this means that in relative terms I am not as evil as Hitler)

This is common language usage today and the meaning is clear. Good is a relative term and in reality God is all Good, and Jesus indicated His position in that relation.
Did the rich man un-
derstand that Jesus is the very God who created all things? Of course not, and that
was what Jesus was addressing.
Why would the rich mans understanding of Jesus station have a bearing on what Jesus says. It never stopped Him from declaring that He existed before Abraham to the pharisees, so why would He not declare the same to the rich man?
NO ONE is good except for God. What separates Jesus and Abraham is that Jesus is
God and Abraham is not God. Therefore, Jesus is Good, while Abraham was not Good.
:rolleyes:

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Not really, no, yes God reads the Bible perfectly, it coming from him, but
many people will misunderstand the texts. If I’m right about Jesus, you’re
wrong. If I’m wrong, then YOU are right. How do we understand John 1:1?
Differently, that’s how. I say that it means Jesus is God. You say different,
clearly only one of us is right there.
I say none of this is relevant.

There are 100,000 children dying of starvation in the world EVERY DAY. Christianity has no solution. The Baha’i Faith does and asks for help to get the show on the road. It even says that one doesn’t need to be a Baha’i to “get the show on the road”

Now if EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet was to do this and it saves 100,000 child deaths per day, FOR EVER, do you really think that God is going to send every single person on earth to hell because I (mistakenly), believed that Jesus was not God, or that you (mistakenly) believed that Jesus was God??

Really?

How’s that for a shockingly nasty God for ya? :eek:
But that is the implication of the text. You are taking advantage of the negative silence
to draw to you’re own conclusions, making the Bible say something that it doesn’t say.
Meaning what?
I’m not drawing any conclusions. I’m reading the text, AS IS.

The conclusion is made by you saying that “if a husband is not loving, the woman does not have to be submissive”

That is moral relativism on the social level…

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Baha’u’llah and the Bab were not created. They too are the Alpha and the Omega.
Baha’u’llah sent Jesus to humanity.

What He says goes…
So Baha’u’llah and the Bab are God? Sorry, no.
You would probably agree, but then you run in-
to the issue of the Truth that ONLY GOD CAN
BE ETERNAL! Created means “not eternal.”

Now you’re faith is denying all Scripture.
He says it here : “Why do you call me good?” and then proceeds to present His position by saying who is, in actuality, good.
But Jesus never said the words “I am not God.” That is you, again, reading
into the text, isolating one passage, robbing it of its context. That’s why we
Catholics use ALL of Scripture and not disassemble the text and define ev-
ery little part by itself.
“Why do you call me a painter? No one is a painter but Vincent Van Gogh”
(this means in relative terms I am not as good a painter as he)

“Why do you call me evil? No one is evil but Adolf Hitler”
(this means that in relative terms I am not as evil as Hitler)
If someone from Heaven (Saint) comes down for a time and someone compliments him
by saying, “You are such a saint!” the saint can say, “Why do you call me a saint? No
one is a saint until he enters into the Kingdom of God.” Did he exclude himself?
This is common language usage today and the meaning is clear. Good is a relative term and in reality God is all Good, and Jesus indicated His position in that relation.
You said “…common language usage today…” meaning you define the Scriptures by how
it is understood today in the common understanding of mundane language, regardless of
how it was understood from the beginning. Do you see a problem here?
Why would the rich mans understanding of Jesus station have a bearing on what Jesus says. It never stopped Him from declaring that He existed before Abraham to the pharisees, so why would He not declare the same to the rich man?
Because the rich man called Jesus “Good” under the premise that he was a man. Jesus never said that he wasn’t good, but rather
was leading on the man by saying how ONLY GOD IS GOOD, so if the man thought that Jesus was good, maybe, JUST maybe…

The conclusion that Jesus is God is testified throughout the entire Bible, which to you is bad, but to me it is the Word of God.

Now why did Jesus speak differently to the Pharisees? Not
sure, maybe it has something to do with the conversation:They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do what Abraham did, but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did. You do what your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
The Jews answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?” Jesus answered, “I have not a demon; but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and he will be the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps my word, he will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, ‘If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you claim to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God. But you have not known him; I know him. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.” The Jews then said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.
– (John 8:39-59)
 
This is incorrect. Again, it is an extreme example of something said in an attempt to falsify an entire religion.

Unfair and unjust…

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Why is it false? You come telling us Christians all our doctrines and our most important practices are wrong. You say celibacy is now bad, you say monasticism is now bad, you say trinity is now wrong, you say incarnation is now wrong. Whats to stop God from changing the moral landscape in the future? The social rules? Nothing except your outdated (from the perspective of those who will follow this hypothetical future manifestation) outlived and quite frankly corrupted religion.
 
I say none of this is relevant.

There are 100,000 children dying of starvation in the world EVERY DAY. Christianity has no solution. The Baha’i Faith does and asks for help to get the show on the road. It even says that one doesn’t need to be a Baha’i to “get the show on the road”

Now if EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet was to do this and it saves 100,000 child deaths per day, FOR EVER, do you really think that God is going to send every single person on earth to hell because I (mistakenly), believed that Jesus was not God, or that you (mistakenly) believed that Jesus was God??

Really?

How’s that for a shockingly nasty God for ya? :eek:

I’m not drawing any conclusions. I’m reading the text, AS IS.

The conclusion is made by you saying that “if a husband is not loving, the woman does not have to be submissive”

That is moral relativism on the social level…

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The bahai solution has worked so well hasn’t it, you have stoppped world hunger, achieved a one world government headed by the house of universal justice and all crime and evil has been stomped out… or are you just fantasizing?

Your criticisng Christianity for offering no solution when the solution Christianity offers is quite profound, accept Christ. Thats all there is to it, Christianity isn’t firstly about making this world perfect, its about perfecting yourself and as it just so happens most people (including alot of Christians) don’t want to perfect themselves.
 
I say none of this is relevant.

There are 100,000 children dying of starvation in the world EVERY DAY. Christianity has no solution. The Baha’i Faith does and asks for help to get the show on the road. It even says that one doesn’t need to be a Baha’i to “get the show on the road”

Now if EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet was to do this and it saves 100,000 child deaths per day, FOR EVER, do you really think that God is going to send every single person on earth to hell because I (mistakenly), believed that Jesus was not God, or that you (mistakenly) believed that Jesus was God??

Really?

How’s that for a shockingly nasty God for ya? :eek:

I’m not drawing any conclusions. I’m reading the text, AS IS.

The conclusion is made by you saying that “if a husband is not loving, the woman does not have to be submissive”

That is moral relativism on the social level…
The subject is false prophets, now suddenly you speak of the woes of a fallen world?
God came to die for an evil inclined and degenerate world, his blood covers all those
who seek his mercy through Jesus Christ. That is the standard rule, God works also
in other ways, can save those who don’t know, but for those who reject that Jesus is
the Son of God, coeternal with the Father & Holy Spirit, One God forever, who came
in the flesh among us to suffer for our salvation just might not make the cut.

What difference does it make, saving all those starving children, if I go
to Hell for not telling you that “Baha’u’llah is the Father incarnate” is a
very blasphemous statement to make?

I would rather souls be saved than children fed, nothing wrong with feeding all them
hungry kids throughout the world, but that is no call for neglect on Jesus Christ, as
it is he who purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, offering it to us freely, how-
ever, we have to make the right choice. Is it Jesus, who is the Way, the Truth, and
the Life, or do we choose to believe that all major religions are right and follow the
false prophet called Baha’u’llah?
 
The bahai solution has worked so well hasn’t it, you have stoppped world hunger, achieved a one world government headed by the house of universal justice and all crime and evil has been stomped out… or are you just fantasizing?

Your criticisng Christianity for offering no solution when the solution Christianity offers is quite profound, accept Christ. Thats all there is to it, Christianity isn’t firstly about making this world perfect, its about perfecting yourself and as it just so happens most people (including alot of Christians) don’t want to perfect themselves.
And you should add that if many Christians did indeed perfect themselves we could probably prevent much of world hunger and crime (it will never be completely eradicated however, not until Jesus Christ comes again).
 
The subject is false prophets, now suddenly you speak of the woes of a fallen world?
God came to die for an evil inclined and degenerate world, his blood covers all those
who seek his mercy through Jesus Christ. That is the standard rule.
We are not just covered in God’s mercy and grace , we are infused with it so that we literally change and become new creations in Christ.
 
Yes, and Baha’u’llah states emphatically:

Why do you think therefore the Baha’i Faith advocates relativism?

Because it is social relativism that is advocated, not divine relativism.

Again, are women to be subordinate to men in the Catholic Church today?
How are women subordinate to men in the Catholic Church, i.e., the Church teaches they are equal in dignity to men. There is no discrimination towards women, not unless you take a very modernized and politicized view of the Church.
 
No one faith has a monopoly on the truth,beloved brethren just as no faith exclusively owns the love of God. We all posess truths and so have much more in common than what any of us realise.Faith does not follow the rules of logic and therefore involves choice and each follows his conscience to the best of his ability
 
We are not just covered in God’s mercy and grace , we are infused with it so that we literally change and become new creations in Christ.
😃 EXACTLY, thank you for being more precise than I was.
 
No one faith has a monopoly on the truth,beloved brethren just as no faith exclusively owns the love of God. We all posess truths and so have much more in common than what any of us realise.Faith does not follow the rules of logic and therefore involves choice and each follows his conscience to the best of his ability
So its perfectly valid in your opinion to consider your prophet a false prophet? Will your God hold anything against me for that?
 
So Baha’u’llah and the Bab are God? Sorry, no.
You would probably agree, but then you run in-
to the issue of the Truth that ONLY GOD CAN
BE ETERNAL! Created means “not eternal.”
As much as this may concern you, but Jesus was “created” within the womb of His mother, Blessed Mary.

When Jesus refers to Himself as “**I **am” He is referring to the same “non-physical” identity that Baha’u’llah is referring to when He announces to all created things “Verily **I **am God!” and again the same identity that Lord Krishna tapped into when He announced “For the salvation of those who are good, and the destruction of evil in men, **I **come to this world from Age to Age” (Bhagavad Gita)
ONLY GOD CAN
BE ETERNAL! Created means “not eternal.”
My friend, any theology can attest to the fact that if it is able to be worded, then God is beyond and external to that. So to ascribe “eternity” to God is a theologically bankrupt statement, simply because God is beyond ANY human description.

“ANY” here also means “eternity” …God is not eternal, He created eternity…and so is greater than and outside of eternity…
Now you’re faith is denying all Scripture.
How exactly?
But Jesus never said the words “I am not God.”
I never said He did 🤷
That is you, again, reading
into the text,
I cant be reading into the text if I didn’t ever say what you are assuming that I said. I never said that Jesus said “I am not God”
isolating one passage, robbing it of its context.
If you look back, you isolated the passage. You introduced the passage 🙂
That’s why we
Catholics use ALL of Scripture and not disassemble the text and define ev-
ery little part by itself.
You should do both. Isolate AND read within the context of the whole. The Word of God has Truths within every single letter, even in isolation.

I hope you are not denying the potency of each letter of the Word of God?
If someone from Heaven (Saint) comes down for a time and someone compliments him
by saying, “You are such a saint!” the saint can say, “Why do you call me a saint? No
one is a saint until he enters into the Kingdom of God.” Did he exclude himself?
Which is why I never said that Jesus was not good. He was good, He was wonderful, but the definition of good changes with circumstances and periods.
When Jesus destroyed the market place outside the Temple, was that a good thing?

Even today, if you go to a market place and destroy other peoples property, you would get arrested, and rightly so!

Jesus DEFINES good with His life for that period
Abraham also DEFINED good with His life, for that period

How do you know that it was not the will of God at that time to populate the world, and utilising multiple wives was the way to do it? Ultimately good is what is pleasing in the sight of God, and you don’t really know what was pleasing to the sight of God 6000 years ago, so saying that Abraham sinned is premature conclusion-making
You said “…common language usage today…” meaning you define the Scriptures by how
it is understood today in the common understanding of mundane language, regardless of
how it was understood from the beginning. Do you see a problem here?
No, I do not see a problem at all Judas. The passage speaks for itself. It CLEARLY says that in comparison to God, Jesus is not good, and rightly so, He humbled Himself to being a mere human being.

Its really not difficult language at all and does not require scholastic referencing to New Testament Greek rhetoric.
Because the rich man called Jesus “Good” under the premise that he was a man. Jesus never said that he wasn’t good, but rather
was leading on the man by saying how ONLY GOD IS GOOD, so if the man thought that Jesus was good, maybe, JUST maybe…
Maybe, just maybe what my friend? The rich man would think that Jesus is God too?
There are many people on earth who are labelled “good”. By simply saying that “Only God is good” means now that they are God?

Jesus doesn’t play games with people. Was He trying to deceive the rich man, Judas?
The conclusion that Jesus is God is testified throughout the entire Bible, which to you is bad, but to me it is the Word of God.
Judas, I think I have spoken to you lovingly and with respect in all our dialogues.

Please can you refrain from suggesting that I think that the Bible is bad?
I don’t!

PLEASE…
(thankyou)
 
Why is it false? You come telling us Christians all our doctrines and our most important practices are wrong. You say celibacy is now bad, you say monasticism is now bad, you say trinity is now wrong, you say incarnation is now wrong. Whats to stop God from changing the moral landscape in the future? The social rules? Nothing except your outdated (from the perspective of those who will follow this hypothetical future manifestation) outlived and quite frankly corrupted religion.
It is false because homosexuality goes against the creation of humanity in terms of mans purpose and use for the reproductive system and organs.

Therefore homosexuality will ALWAYS be “against the grain” of nature.

To ascribe this extremity of relativism to the Baha’i Faith is thoughtless and unfair

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How do you know the Bible is correct?

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because the church founded by Christ says it is. “he who hears you, hears me.” The only way to be safe from false prophets is to follow the teachings of the church founded by Christ which is protected from teaching error by the Holy Spirit. Where Peter is, there is the church.
 
Jesus DEFINES good with His life for that period
Abraham also DEFINED good with His life, for that period

How do you know that it was not the will of God at that time to populate the world, and utilising multiple wives was the way to do it? Ultimately good is what is pleasing in the sight of God, and you don’t really know what was pleasing to the sight of God 6000 years ago, so saying that Abraham sinned is premature conclusion-making
Abraham’s sin was in his failure to believe God would give him a child out of Sarah. Abraham decided with Sarah’s urging to take matters into his own hands and lie with Hagar. He wanted the promise God made him but didn’t want to wait for it to happen in a time of God’s choosing. That made his sleeping with Hagar a sin of fornication.
 
Abraham’s sin was in his failure to believe God would give him a child out of Sarah. Abraham decided with Sarah’s urging to take matters into his own hands and lie with Hagar. He wanted the promise God made him but didn’t want to wait for it to happen in a time of God’s choosing. That made his sleeping with Hagar a sin of fornication.
Has anyone here had any of their children named directly by God?

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