False Prophets the most used comeback!

[PRmerger]

So when prophet is mentioned in the Bible, is it referring to Jesus and/or other Biblical Prophets

Yes. Both/And.

or, the as yet to be determined, prophets of the Catholic Church?

The “yet to be determined prophets of the CC” are all of us who share in the prophetic ministry of the Lord of Lord and King of Kings (and Prophet of Prophets). We are “prophets” only in the sense of partaking in the One Prophetship of Christ.

 

[Servant19]

Given the** title** by the Church? No.

But all baptized Christians are called to proclaim the Word of God, and thus, we all share in the prophetic ministry of The Prophet, Jesus Christ.

So it is clear that 1John 4 is not in reference to any Christian adherents…



So we can conclude that John was clearly identifying future true prophets, and that they will be made manifest…

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[Servant19]

We are “prophets” only in the sense of partaking in the One Prophetship of Christ.

So who amongst these people are you “testing the Spirit” of exactly?

And who amongst these people are proclaiming teachings that need to be tested?

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[Servant19]

The most egregious one is claiming to be divine.

Another one is claiming that Jesus is a “manifestation” of God.

And another is claiming that all religions are ONE.

And yet another is proclaiming that Jesus’ resurrection was not a physical resurrection.

I think you have not tested anything in relation to Baha’u’llah

I am pretty convinced you do not know the fullness of Truth within each of those statements you made, not even partial the Truth



It’s your journey with God, PR, I wish you all my love and prayers…

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[PRmerger]

Dear PR. If God has spoken to you, and you KNOW that it is God, why are you looking at other canons and Gospels?

So I can test them.

The only reason why I would even submit to listening to anyone outside the Baha’i Writings is if Baha’u’llah had comanded me to do so, and He had, so I do.

But you are telling me that there is no other Truth outside Catholic Truth, so what are you looking for?

I have said that All Truth is Catholic Truth. So I look for the Truth in all writings and test them.

Baha’u’llah TELLS me that the foundation of His religion LIES in the religious texts of all global religions, and that is why I MUST read those Texts, but you are telling me that Jesus has said the contrary…

Nope. I have never said “Jesus has said the contrary.”

Bu

t I believe that Jesus actually has opened the door to further revelation from Beings not necessarily affiliated to the Church by membership. Why

And that is a lie that you have been duped by.

Because in 1 John, it says that “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God”

Amen!

What does that mean? It means that this verse is talking about a Person, not a teaching

Well, unless that “Person” remains mute and static, the moment he acts, it becomes a teaching in this context.

It means that the Person cannot be in the Church (for all Church members confess that Jesus has come in the flesh anyway) and it means that HIS Spirit must be tested.

Sure. It could mean that. And when this Person says things consonant with the faith, given once for all, we say

And when this Person says things such as, “Jesus Christ did not really rise from the dead” we say,

Please tell me how so dear friend. I feel I can read the Scriptures with precision, but if I am being imprecise, I wish to learn where and how

I suggest you get a Catechism of the Catholic Church. Look at the back listing of all the Scripture verses and study them according to the lens of the faith which gave you these Scripture verses.

 

[Servant19]

Yep.

Another Person, yes.

So Pope Francis is Jesus???



PR do you have a non-conflicting idea that can tell me who the “Spirit of Truth” is, please?

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[PRmerger]

How so? You said that Pope Francis proclaims the Spirit of Truth

You are inserting a dichotomy where none exists.

I say that contradicts John 16, purely because the Spirit if Truth is clearly a Person, not a proclamation…

It can be a Person. But it, too, need not be an either/or.

But we are talking about the mathematicians here, not a plumber.

The above demonstrates an inability to think in the abstract. It’s like saying, “Well, the Prodigal Son parable is about sons, not about daughters.”

My humble understanding of 1John 4 is that we should test all mathematician-claimants (Prophet claimants) to see if they are really mathematicians (True Prophets), meaning that there will be some true mathematicians in the future, otherwise why test for them?

As long as what they say is consonant with the truths of mathematics, then we give them a

You say there is only one mathematician, and thats it.
This understanding contradicts the clear message in 1John 4

I say there is only One Mathematician, who proclaimed the truths, once for all, and everyone else must submit to His Truths.

Anyone who proclaims new truths is a false mathematician who has succumbed to the whispers of the Author of Lies.

 

[PRmerger]

So it is clear that 1John 4 is not in reference to any Christian adherents…

Nope. The above is a non-sequitur.

 

[PRmerger]

So who amongst these people are you “testing the Spirit” of exactly?

And who amongst these people are proclaiming teachings that need to be tested?

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You, for one.

 

[PRmerger]

I think you have not tested anything in relation to Baha’u’llah

Everything that I have read I test. :yup:

I am pretty convinced you do not know the fullness of Truth within each of those statements you made, not even partial the Truth

To the degree that what has been professed by Bahaullah is consonant with truth (i.e. “It is good to love our brothers and sisters!”) I say, good for him!

To the degree that what has been professed by him has divorced itself from the faith, given once for all, I say, “Sorry. That is wrong.”

It’s your journey with God, PR, I wish you all my love and prayers…

Thank you.

 

[PRmerger]

So Pope Francis is Jesus???

Are you still really unable to apply ideas that are abstract?

sigh!

PR do you have a non-conflicting idea that can tell me who the “Spirit of Truth” is, please?

The Spirit of Truth is a Person: Jesus Christ.

That which all of humanity professes is either consonant with what this Spirit of Truth professes, and thus become partakers of this Spirit…

or it has divorced itself with what was revealed by this Spirit of Truth, and thus becomes partakers of the Author of Lies.

 

[eddie_too]

all Sacred Scripture (SS) must be interpreted within context and according to kowledgeable textual analysis techniques.

time and again we find people wrting here words that imply they base their understanding of SS on an out of context interpretation. on other occasions they write words that imply they are using a literal sense to intepret SS when a metaphorical sense was the style used by the writer of the SS.

in addition, there are various levels of meaning in SS. the same verse of SS can be used for spiritual edification as well as moral guidance as well as historical fact as well as theological development.

the above are all common errors among non-catholics and even some catholics who deign to take scriptural interpretation upon themselves.

if nothing else, we should all be able to agree that both bab and bahaullah were functionally illiterate when it comes to the SSs of both judaism and catholicism.

 

[mtolympus]

If you deny it, the question is why would 1John prophecy a true Prophet to come and for 2000 years nothing has been provided by God? Especially in this critical juncture in human history?

Interesting discussion and good question. Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount tells us how to find the kingdom of God. He tells us to beware of false prophets and how to know the difference between true and false prophets. I will point out the passages so those who may be interested may study it out for themselves:

Read Matthew 6:33 - Our first priority in life is to seek for the Kingdom of God.

Read Matthew 7:7-8 – to find the Kingdom of God we must ask in prayer and seek the scriptures.

Read Matthew 7:9-11 - Jesus emphasizes that when we pray to find God’s kingdom, God will answer and we will not be miss led.

**Read Matthew 7:13-16 **– Following the strait and narrow way is not the easiest path. It says few there be that find it! This is the reason why Jesus tells us to beware of false prophets.

Read Matthew 7:15-20 – Here Jesus tells us that every good tree will bring forth good fruits. He said we can know a true prophet by their fruits. The next verse will answer three questions that will tell us exactly how to know a true prophet.

Read Matthew 7:21 – Question 1 - What do we have to do to stay on the straight and narrow path to enter the kingdom of heaven? (Do the will of the Father)

Question 2 – What kind of prophet will teach us to do the will of the Father? (A true prophet)

Question 3 – Therefore, what are the fruits of a true prophet? (Followers who have been taught to do the will of the Father)

Read Matthew 7:22-23 – casting out demons, prophecying in the name of the Lord, and good works are not bad things, but they meaningless if a prophet doesn’t teach us to do the will of the Lord.

Read Matthew 7:24 – So what did Jesus ask us to do? (Seek first for the kingdom of heaven, ask in prayer and seek for true prophets)

 

[Servant19]

You are inserting a dichotomy where none exists.

Dear friend the dichotomy exists in the reality that you are saying that the Spirit of Truth is Jesus, and yes Jesus works “through” the Pope in the form of proclamation, however, and here is the dichotomy, if the Pspirit of Truth is Jesus, it renders John 16:12-18 meaningless.
Jesus is basically saying that He will glorify Himself, He will make mention of Himself, and will announce that He did indeed come in the flesh. Almost makes Jesus sound schizophrenic (God forgive me for even mentioning such a thing)

It can be a Person. But it, too, need not be an either/or.

So basically you are saying that there is no definitive understanding of who the Spirit of Truth is.

When Jesus makes mention of someone as a “He”, He is not talking about an either/or, He is talking definitively.

The Holy Spirit works “through” the Pope in His proclamations, yet the word Holy Spirit is mentioned many many times in the NT, yet it is not mentioned in John 16, clearly making a demarcating difference.

The above demonstrates an inability to think in the abstract. It’s like saying, “Well, the Prodigal Son parable is about sons, not about daughters.”

Please help me to understand then sister PR…I am weak and always will ask for help when I see I need it.

As long as what they say is consonant with the truths of mathematics, then we give them a

So you are saying that the maths is all that is important, the mathematician does not matter?
It is only the teachings of a Spirit that you look at?

I say there is only One Mathematician, who proclaimed the truths, once for all, and everyone else must submit to His Truths.

Is that an accurate reflection of reality though PR?
You are proclaiming Truths in a matter that requires “faith”

Anyone who proclaims new truths is a false mathematician who has succumbed to the whispers of the Author of Lies.

Is there any Biblical/philosophical/religious evidence for this whatsoever???

New truths = falsehood

Thats a problem to solve for all of us!!

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[Servant19]

Are you still really unable to apply ideas that are abstract?

sigh!

The Spirit of Truth is a Person: Jesus Christ.

That which all of humanity professes is either consonant with what this Spirit of Truth professes, and thus become partakers of this Spirit…

or it has divorced itself with what was revealed by this Spirit of Truth, and thus becomes partakers of the Author of Lies.

Did the Spirit of Truth ever proclaim to the Catholic Church the meaning of dreams, the nature of dreams etc?

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[PRmerger]

Did the Spirit of Truth ever proclaim to the Catholic Church the meaning of dreams, the nature of dreams etc?

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No. There is no Truth revealed regarding the nature of dreams.

 

[Servant19]

No. There is no Truth revealed regarding the nature of dreams.

How can you profess the fullness of Truth therefore?

How can you say that the new Truths about dreams revealed by Baha’u’llah is a falsehood?

And that is just one example

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[PRmerger]

How can you profess the fullness of Truth therefore?

Because the fullness of truth doesn’t mean that the CC has knowledge of every truth that exists.

For example, the CC, while having the fullness of truth, doesn’t ever claim to know how many grains of sand there are on the beaches of the world.

While the CC may have the fullness of truth, it doesn’t mean that she knows whether you are going to heaven or hell.

The fullness of truth simply means, no more and no less: that which has been revealed by God is fully encapsulated in all of the teachings of the CC.

How can you say that the new Truths about dreams revealed by Baha’u’llah is a falsehood?

I don’t believe I’ve ever read a single thing about Bahais and dreams, so I wouldn’t know.

 

[PRmerger]

Dear friend the dichotomy exists in the reality that you are saying that the Spirit of Truth is Jesus, and yes Jesus works “through” the Pope in the form of proclamation, however, and here is the dichotomy, if the Pspirit of Truth is Jesus, it renders John 16:12-18 meaningless.
Jesus is basically saying that He will glorify Himself,

Yes.

He will make mention of Himself

Yes.

and will announce that He did indeed come in the flesh.

Sure.

So what’s wrong with that?

So basically you are saying that there is no definitive understanding of who the Spirit of Truth is.

The Spirit of Truth is the Eternal Godhead, Servant.

When Jesus makes mention of someone as a “He”, He is not talking about an either/or, He is talking definitively.

Yes. That is because the Spirit of Truth is a Person.

The Holy Spirit works “through” the Pope in His proclamations

Yes.

yet the word Holy Spirit is mentioned many many times in the NT

Yes. Not sure why the qualifier “yet” is inserted, but yes.

yet it is not mentioned in John 16, clearly making a demarcating difference.

I have no idea what this means.

Please help me to understand then sister PR…I am weak and always will ask for help when I see I need it.

I promise you, Servant, when you have the CC behind you, you will not be weak.

So you are saying that the maths is all that is important, the mathematician does not matter?

Nope.

It is only the teachings of a Spirit that you look at?

Nope. As I said already, I look at your teachings. You are flesh and bone. Definitely not a Spirit.

 

[PRmerger]

Is there any Biblical/philosophical/religious evidence for this whatsoever???

For what?

New truths = falsehood

New ideas that contradict the faith given once for all = falsehood.