False Prophets the most used comeback!

[tonyfish58]

Lol, oh my. You don’t see the irony here? The Catholic Church claims it has the exact same protection, and it can be witnessed in the bible (council in acts 15, 1&2 Timothy when Paul talks about the authority he handed to Timothy). And now you claim that this promise from Christ is null, but yours is somehow good to go?!? Oh my lol. Read the church fathers. There was no apostasy. The Church cut off all the heretics eventually. I can’t believe what I’m reading.

Matthew 24:

29 ‘Immediately after the suffering of those days

the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see “the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven” with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.’

Sorry, your manifestation of God just didn’t come with enough angels and trumpets. Oh lol

PeaceInChrist - I think history has proven that the authority of who was to be Christs successor might not be that clear

Yes the Catholic Church did follow the correct path

But true Unity was lost and thus the Influence that Christianity could have had was not fully manifested. Man by His deeds and a lot of time out of His Love divided a Faith that should have been one united force.

But this was all foretold, this is why Christ had to return. Thank God that it was so!

One has to conclude for themselves as to who God gives His Power to and who He has taken it away from!

As to Angels and Trumpets, the Baha’i Faith is unrivaled in the People that sacrificed their all in bringing this Faith to mankind in the first couple of decades of its birth.

But I guess you do not want to look at alternate interpretation, so God Bless you always with Happiness Faith and Love for Christ.

God Bless and regards Tony

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

PeaceInChrist - I think history has proven that the authority of who was to be Christs successor might not be that clear

Yes the Catholic Church did follow the correct path

But true Unity was lost and thus the Influence that Christianity could have had was not fully manifested. Man by His deeds and a lot of time out of His Love divided a Faith that should have been one united force.

But this was all foretold, this is why Christ had to return. Thank God that it was so!

One has to conclude for themselves as to who God gives His Power to and who He has taken it away from!

As to Angels and Trumpets, the Baha’i Faith is unrivaled in the People that sacrificed their all in bringing this Faith to mankind in the first couple of decades of its birth.

But I guess you do not want to look at alternate interpretation, so God Bless you always with Happiness Faith and Love for Christ.

God Bless and regards Tony

How can bahai have a criticism against Christian divisiveness when they have divided themselves from Christians and Muslims? You have just created another division by your mere existence. Stop being hypocritical.

 

[Servant19]

How can bahai have a criticism against Christian divisiveness when they have divided themselves from Christians and Muslims? You have just created another division by your mere existence. Stop being hypocritical.

…except there will never be a Crusades or a jihad from the Baha’i community individuals, never mind the Baha’i institutions

The one fold is found in the Baha’i community. There is no hypocrisy at all. The history is clear. Just look at the Iranian Baha’is…there is no fighting, just solemn faith…



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[Servant19]

Also if you look at that photo in my signature, you will see one of several Baha’i temples.

In the Baha’i Temple, you are allowed to walk in, from any religion you like, and praise God using YOUR OWN HOLY BOOK.

Thats not division, that’s true love for all mankind…

I remember asking if I could say a Baha’i prayer at assembly when I was a kid…oh never mind…

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[tonyfish58]

How can bahai have a criticism against Christian divisiveness when they have divided themselves from Christians and Muslims? You have just created another division by your mere existence. Stop being hypocritical.

IgnatianPhilo - An observation is not a criticism, it is a statement of a known Fact.

By stating Fact one does not in any way offer criticism!

There is no Division of Faith unless one makes it, it is not I that Divide the Faiths, I see them as One Truth.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

IgnatianPhilo - An observation is not a criticism, it is a statement of a known Fact.

By stating Fact one does not in any way offer criticism!

There is no Division of Faith unless one makes it, it is not I that Divide the Faiths, I see them as One Truth.

God Bless and Regards Tony

Except it is a criticism because your abhor division, in fact you hate it. Yet the very existence of a bahai religion further divides humanity. It would seem your God has set things up this way that every time he reveals himself humanity, instead of being united, is further divided, which is anti-thetical to bahai religion.

To suggest this was not a criticism is something of doublespeak on your part I feel: But true Unity was lost and thus the Influence that Christianity could have had was not fully manifested. Man by His deeds and a lot of time out of His Love divided a Faith that should have been one united force.

How do you reconcile your God dividing humanity every thousand years?

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Also if you look at that photo in my signature, you will see one of several Baha’i temples.

In the Baha’i Temple, you are allowed to walk in, from any religion you like, and praise God using YOUR OWN HOLY BOOK.

Thats not division, that’s true love for all mankind…

I remember asking if I could say a Baha’i prayer at assembly when I was a kid…oh never mind…

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Cause in a bahai temple they would love to hear hymns sung to Christ as God, that Christ is the highest existence, that there is a trinity. Can a satanist worship in your temple? What about a worshiper of Ba’al?

If your holy spaces can be desecrated by false teaching (in your view) so easily for the sake of appearing friendly why should anyone care about your religion?

 

[Servant19]

Except it is a criticism because your abhor division, in fact you hate it.

I think it can be categorically stated that God does not like division, and neither do you Igantian, so why use it to pin Baha’is with??

Yet the very existence of a bahai religion further divides humanity. It would seem your God has set things up this way that every time he reveals himself humanity, instead of being united, is further divided, which is anti-thetical to bahai religion.

Yes, and as it is stated in the Bible regarding the Last Days. “two will be in the field, one will be taken, the other left behind”

This will happen until all that will remain are those that God hath chosen to participate in the Banquet

To suggest this was not a criticism is something of doublespeak on your part I feel:
But true Unity was lost and thus the Influence that Christianity could have had was not fully manifested. Man by His deeds and a lot of time out of His Love divided a Faith that should have been one united force.

How do you reconcile your God dividing humanity every thousand years?

…again it is not “your God” or “our God”, it is God that sent Jesus to separate the true Jews and lovers of God’s light from those that were “following the motions” as it were.

Why did Jesus come and add further division to the Jewish sects?

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[Servant19]

Cause in a bahai temple they would love to hear hymns sung to Christ as God, that Christ is the highest existence, that there is a trinity. Can a satanist worship in your temple? What about a worshiper of Ba’al?

No only those that worship the One God can share prayers at Baha’i Temples, but all are trully welcome

You can praise Jesus to the highest heights that you like in the Baha’i Temple, go ahead, I can guarantee you will not be frowned upon one bit!

If your holy spaces can be desecrated by false teaching (in your view) so easily for the sake of appearing friendly why should anyone care about your religion?

False teaching??

The Baha’i Faith (for those that can be bothered to look into it in any sense) worships the God of Abraham…what harm is there in this?

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[tonyfish58]

Except it is a criticism because your abhor division, in fact you hate it. Yet the very existence of a bahai religion further divides humanity. It would seem your God has set things up this way that every time he reveals himself humanity, instead of being united, is further divided, which is anti-thetical to bahai religion.

To suggest this was not a criticism is something of doublespeak on your part I feel: But true Unity was lost and thus the Influence that Christianity could have had was not fully manifested. Man by His deeds and a lot of time out of His Love divided a Faith that should have been one united force.

How do you reconcile your God dividing humanity every thousand years?

It is not OUR God that Divides dear IgnatianPhilo

But God Does allow us to find our own way.

You are also free to see it how you wish

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[PeaceInChrist]

PeaceInChrist - I think history has proven that the authority of who was to be Christs successor might not be that clear

Yes the Catholic Church did follow the correct path

But true Unity was lost and thus the Influence that Christianity could have had was not fully manifested. Man by His deeds and a lot of time out of His Love divided a Faith that should have been one united force.

But this was all foretold, this is why Christ had to return. Thank God that it was so!

One has to conclude for themselves as to who God gives His Power to and who He has taken it away from!

As to Angels and Trumpets, the Baha’i Faith is unrivaled in the People that sacrificed their all in bringing this Faith to mankind in the first couple of decades of its birth.

But I guess you do not want to look at alternate interpretation, so God Bless you always with Happiness Faith and Love for Christ.

God Bless and regards Tony

To Catholics and orthodox, it is clear that bishops are the successors of the apostles. Catholics and orthodox disagree on the level of authority of the pope, but there is no disagreement on who the successors are.

As for Bahai, I think Mírzá Muhammad Alí was the true successor. Abdu’l-Bahá went apostate. So your faith is already in apostasy. Why else would they need to make a man-made organization like the Universal House of Justice in the 50s? So that your leaders could keep power, ostracize Muhammad for being a covenant breaker even though Abdul went into apostasy, and now prevent a true, pure interpretation of Bahai from being re-established.

Do you see what I did there? I did exactly what Protestants and Bahai do to Catholics and Orthodox when they spout their idiotic apostasy garbage. If there was ever any disagreement in your faith, then following your logic, it’s not clear who is in he right. The Catholics and orthodox know who the successors are. So please don’t make ludicrous claims that don’t stand up. Read the Church fathers. There was no apostasy.

And that’s the first time I’ve seen believers proclaiming Bahai as being the angels and trumpets of Christ’s return. Christ had actual angels announce His coming. Oh, but I forgot. You know about Christianity better than Christians. Of course. Because Christ claimed to be the fulfillment of the law and prophets, but He must have meant He was just an iteration.

Perfect sense!!!

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

It is not OUR God that Divides dear IgnatianPhilo

But God Does allow us to find our own way.

You are also free to see it how you wish

God Bless and Regards Tony

No it’s clearly your God who reveals revelations which contradict with each other. For instance we are told as Christians Jesus is God, we have been told this since the begining. We have been told since the beginning he was resurrected and then comes islam which denies these things. Your God intended Christians to be divided from the Muslims by his contradicting messages. Or another way, Christians have been warned against gnosticism since the beginning, but the bahai actively encourage and believe it. So again, your God presents two different religions.

 

[Servant19]

As for Bahai, I think Mírzá Muhammad Alí was the true successor. Abdu’l-Bahá went apostate. So your faith is already in apostasy. Why else would they need to make a man-made organization like the Universal House of Justice in the 50s?

Oh come oooonnnnnnn…noooooooooooooo…really???

How many followers of Mirza Muhammad Ali have you bumped into?

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[PeaceInChrist]

That is the beauty of free will. Neither could the Pharisees… lol

Your passive aggressiveness is surely not charitable, is it? I could compare you to all the people throughout the ages since Jesus who have followed false Christ’s, but I have refrained thusfar. Should I no longer?

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Oh come oooonnnnnnn…noooooooooooooo…really???

How many followers of Mirza Muhammad Ali have you bumped into?

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So truth is judged by the amount of followers? It looks like Christians win then.

 

[Servant19]

Your passive aggressiveness is surely not charitable, is it? I could compare you to all the people throughout the ages since Jesus who have followed false Christ’s, but I have refrained thusfar. Should I no longer?

daler is not implying that you are following anything false at all.

Catholicism is indeed beautiful…how do you read it PIC?

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[PeaceInChrist]

Read Post 709

I will re post the quote, it will explain why you “can’t believe these arguments”

**IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD, THE EXALTED, THE MOST HIGH.

No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth. Sanctify your souls, O ye peoples of the world, that haply ye may attain that station which God hath destined for you and enter thus the tabernacle which, according to the dispensations of Providence, hath been raised in the firmament of the Bayán.

The essence of these words is this: they that tread the path of faith, they that thirst for the wine of certitude, must cleanse themselves of all that is earthly—their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain imaginings, their hearts from worldly affections, their eyes from that which perisheth. They should put their trust in God, and, holding fast unto Him, follow in His way. Then will they be made worthy of the effulgent glories of the sun of divine knowledge and understanding, and become the recipients of a grace that is infinite and unseen, inasmuch as man can never hope to attain unto the knowledge of the All-Glorious, can never quaff from the stream of divine knowledge and wisdom, can never enter the abode of immortality, nor partake of the cup of divine nearness and favour, unless and until he ceases to regard the words and deeds of mortal men as a standard for the true understanding and recognition of God and His Prophets.**

God Bless and Regards Tony

Yet if I pointed to a verse in the bible about people wandering off after false prophets, or that some would be misguided, deny the Christ, ect, you’d simply turn around and say it actually applies to me. You argue PURELY by your prophet’s scripture and an unbelievably warped view of other scriptures. There is no logic, rhyme, or reason to your insane ‘theology’, if it can even be called theology. You don’t see the problem with arguing this way?

 

[Servant19]

Yet if I pointed to a verse in the bible about people wandering off after false prophets, or that some would be misguided, deny the Christ, ect, you’d simply turn around and say it actually applies to me. You argue PURELY by your prophet’s scripture and an unbelievably warped view of other scriptures. There is no logic, rhyme, or reason to your insane ‘theology’, if it can even be called theology. You don’t see the problem with arguing this way?

…and yet this is exactly what Christianity has done with the Torah etc…

Is that not baffling to you?

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[tonyfish58]

Yet if I pointed to a verse in the bible about people wandering off after false prophets, or that some would be misguided, deny the Christ, ect, you’d simply turn around and say it actually applies to me. You argue PURELY by your prophet’s scripture and an unbelievably warped view of other scriptures. There is no logic, rhyme, or reason to your insane ‘theology’, if it can even be called theology. You don’t see the problem with arguing this way?

A mere Frame of reference issue my dear friend in Christ! Frame of reference is a good thing to look up and think about!

You have your Frame of Reference I have mine and it appears that you wish Never the Twain shall meet

Thus I will leave this discussion with you on a note of fellowship in Christ. May Christ bless us with Faith and Love for all mankind!

God Bless and may life be full of rewards for you. - Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

To Catholics and orthodox, it is clear that bishops are the successors of the apostles. Catholics and orthodox disagree on the level of authority of the pope, but there is no disagreement on who the successors are.

As for Bahai, I think Mírzá Muhammad Alí was the true successor. Abdu’l-Bahá went apostate. So your faith is already in apostasy. Why else would they need to make a man-made organization like the Universal House of Justice in the 50s? So that your leaders could keep power, ostracize Muhammad for being a covenant breaker even though Abdul went into apostasy, and now prevent a true, pure interpretation of Bahai from being re-established.

Do you see what I did there? I did exactly what Protestants and Bahai do to Catholics and Orthodox when they spout their idiotic apostasy garbage. If there was ever any disagreement in your faith, then following your logic, it’s not clear who is in he right. The Catholics and orthodox know who the successors are. So please don’t make ludicrous claims that don’t stand up. Read the Church fathers. There was no apostasy.

And that’s the first time I’ve seen believers proclaiming Bahai as being the angels and trumpets of Christ’s return. Christ had actual angels announce His coming. Oh, but I forgot. You know about Christianity better than Christians. Of course. Because Christ claimed to be the fulfillment of the law and prophets, but He must have meant He was just an iteration.

Perfect sense!!!

Might I just add that the primacy of Peter is FULLY acknowledged in the Baha’i Faith.

I guess you were unaware of this, similar to the accusations against Muhammad?

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