False religions, worship nothing or demons?

[tacdon]

Why do you get to decide what is a false religion?



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I thought this would be an easy question to ask. Most protestants think Islam is a false religion.

Who am I to decide? Who are you to decide? Didn’t you make a list of false religions as well?

 

[Servant19]

I thought this would be an easy question to ask. Most protestants think Islam is a false religion.

Who am I to decide? Who are you to decide? Didn’t you make a list of false religions as well?

Yes, I decided by the “fruits” of the religions teachings.

Isn’t that a way by which you can decide?

 

[tacdon]

Yes, I decided by the “fruits” of the religions teachings.

Isn’t that a way by which you can decide?

The bible teaches that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

Muslim’s don’t believe Jesus is the only way to heaven.

If Jesus isn’t the only way to heaven, then Jesus died on the cross for no reason.

 

[tacdon]

Yes, I decided by the “fruits” of the religions teachings.

Isn’t that a way by which you can decide?

I make my decision on who they think Jesus was/is and what Jesus did for us.

 

[Servant19]

The bible teaches that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

The Jews, who are the establishers of monotheism, would disagree with you here.
To them, you are a polytheistic religion.

Maybe the next thread would be called “Christians worship nothing or demons”

Its like a cycle of continuing errors…



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[tacdon]

The Jews, who are the establishers of monotheism, would disagree with you here.
To them, you are a polytheistic religion.

Maybe the next thread would be called “Christians worship nothing or demons”

Its like a cycle of continuing errors…



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Why did Jesus die on a cross, if it’s not necessary to believe in Jesus to be saved?

 

[Servant19]

Why did Jesus die on a cross, if it’s not necessary to believe in Jesus to be saved?

Jews do not believe this at all.

I on the other hand do belive this, as a Baha’i. Yet I do not follow a false religion, nor do I worship anything other than the One God

So maybe my religion is more true than Judaism, which your faith is founded on

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[tacdon]

Jews do not believe this at all.

I on the other hand do belive this, as a Baha’i. Yet I do not follow a false religion, nor do I worship anything other than the One God

So maybe my religion is more true than Judaism, which your faith is founded on

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Where does one go to if they don’t believe Jesus is the only way to heaven?

 

[tacdon]

Wow. That is…astounding.
I guess I wrongly assumed that someone who believed in one of the three largest Abrahamic religions in the world would consider the other two “real” (and Bahai’, too, which I think is the fourth largest?)

OP, do you consider Judaism a “false” religion? Since they don’t believe Jesus is the way to “heaven”?
If so…then…are you thinking Jewish people worship either nothing or demons?

Ummmm…I’m getting the heck outta this thread, before it hits the tipping point.

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I’m not sure about the Judaism I guess they worship God in vain. I do know that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

If a Jew doesn’t accept Jesus as their lord and savior then they go to hell.

What was the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross if there is another way to heaven?

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

How the pagan gods could not be considered demons I do not know. The fathers were pretty unanimous as was Paul. No doubt some religions, like Bahai or maybe Buddhism only have an origin in the mind of man.

 

[Servant19]

How the pagan gods could not be considered demons I do not know. The fathers were pretty unanimous as was Paul. No doubt some religions, like Bahai or maybe Buddhism only have an origin in the mind of man.

No doubt indeed …

:yawn:

:yawn:

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[tacdon]

They go to heaven, too.

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Then what was the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross?

 

[Servant19]

I’m not sure about the Judaism I guess they worship God in vain. I do know that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

If a Jew doesn’t accept Jesus as their lord and savior then they go to hell.

What was the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross if there is another way to heaven?

Can you share with us what from the Bible tells you that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven please?

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[tacdon]

Can you share with us what from the Bible tells you that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven please?

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I will ask this question again. Why did Jesus go through all the pain and suffering of dying on a cross if there is another way to heaven?

John 14:6
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Acts 4:12
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved”

 

[tacdon]

Well, for one…he went thru the pain, suffering and dying on a cross because he was found guilty of sedition. But I have a feeling that’s not what you mean.

My beliefs are different than yours, as I’m sure you’ve surmised. I don’t trust the dialogue in the John gospel since it was written approx 60 years after Jesus died and we can’t confirm who wrote it…and it has discrepancies, even with the date of Jesus’ death–which differs by a few days from what is written in earlier gospels.
So my response to your question won’t be of help to you, I’m sure.

But I’m sure by morn, a lot of the others will be awake and they will answer this question much more to your liking and aligned to your beliefs, so…check in here again then.

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I guess you’re not Catholic or christian then.

 

[Servant19]

I will ask this question again. Why did Jesus go through all the pain and suffering of dying on a cross if there is another way to heaven?

John 14:6
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Ok two questions about this verse:

1. Where does it say anything about heaven here?
2. Why would you assume that this is an eternally applicable statement? Can God not send other people by which they may attain the presence of the Father at a later date?

Acts 4:12
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved”

Again, why would you not think that Luke is talking about the period in which Jesus came?
Of course salvation was found in Jesus the moment He said “I am”, but could God not send another in His name 1000 years later.

There is nothing on either of those statements that says “for ever and ever”



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[Lost_Wanderer]

How the pagan gods could not be considered demons I do not know. The fathers were pretty unanimous as was Paul.

Because they were myths. Unless of course, you’re suggesting people invoke/glorify them whenever they watch Thor or study mythology.

No doubt some religions, like Bahai or maybe Buddhism only have an origin in the mind of man.

Maybe that’s why Buddhism and other eastern religions prefer the term ‘way of life’ rather than strictly religion.

 

[tacdon]

Ok two questions about this verse:

1. Where does it say anything about heaven here?
2. Why would you assume that this is an eternally applicable statement? Can God not send other people by which they may attain the presence of the Father at a later date?

Again, why would you not think that Luke is talking about the period in which Jesus came?
Of course salvation was found in Jesus the moment He said “I am”, but could God not send another in His name 1000 years later.

There is nothing on either of those statements that says “for ever and ever”



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Are you a christian?

Again, I ask you why did Jesus go through all that suffering and die on a cross if there would be another way for people to get to heaven?

It would be a waste of his and God’s time.

 

[Servant19]

Maybe that’s why Buddhism and other eastern religions prefer the time ‘way of life’ rather than strictly religion.

There is no salvation for Christians who do not live the “way of life” dear friend…



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[IgnatianPhilo]

Ok two questions about this verse:

1. Where does it say anything about heaven here?
2. Why would you assume that this is an eternally applicable statement? Can God not send other people by which they may attain the presence of the Father at a later date?

Again, why would you not think that Luke is talking about the period in which Jesus came?
Of course salvation was found in Jesus the moment He said “I am”, but could God not send another in His name 1000 years later.

There is nothing on either of those statements that says “for ever and ever”



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1. Your placing your own bahai assumptions on to Luke, that Luke Must have expected a greater prophet than Jesus. We have no reason to believe that.
2. Why would the name that is to be confessed, suddenly change to Muhammad 600 years later? Moses was not confessed as such before Jesus and in fact it was a radically different thing to say “Jesus is the only name under heaven which one will gain salvation through.”

What is salvation? Salvation is to be in the grace of God. It is to be judged righteous at the end in the resurrection of the dead. Some Luke clearly believed in. Something bahai clearly deny.

1. Hebrews says these things as well.

Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

Hebrews 5:16 People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. 17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. 19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

Notice that Jesus is a priest and what was the function of the priest? The function of the priest was to offer sacrifices for the people. But the type of Priest Jesus is, is not the old priest but a priest of Melchizedek of which he is forever High Priest. This is how we make sense of later in this epistle the statement “once and for all sacrifice.” THat is the temple is no longer needed because has ended that which began with Abraham (and according to bahai ended twice with Krishna and Budha but reamerged through), Moses and the prophets. God is not a good who needs a continual sacrifice every generation, because Christ paid the price once and for all. Thus why is Jesus the only name under heaven by which men can be saved? Because Jesus died for humanity. Bahai fail to recognize this, trying to give the same honour to their own prophet whom they maintain was better than Jesus.

1. You ask where it mentions heaven when Jesus says he is the only way to the father. What is heaven if not to be in the father’s presence? Or if not that to be in a realm so intimately tied to God? Alright, lets not call it heaven. Let’s call it the father’s presence and the only way to get to that presence as per the words of Jesus is through him. No one else will suffice. If one believes in Muhammad they cannot attain to perfection, if one believes in Buddha, they will not escape suffering. If heaven is not to be with the father, then I suppose you have not read the New testament.