False religions, worship nothing or demons?

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Dorothy said:
No, Catholics do not believe that Islam is the truth. In the Catechism it says “they profess to hold the faith of Abraham”…but they do not have the Truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
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Dear Dorothy, the opinion being shared is that Muslims worship the same God as the God of Catholicism, and clearly it is stated in the CCC that they do 🙂

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Servant19 said:
Of course Luke didn’t expect another prophet. He was a human being with limited knowledge just like me.

If Baha’u’llah had not explicitly said so, I would genuinely believe (just like Luke) that Baha’u’llah was God, that there is no other to be worshiped and that to deny Baha’u’llah is to deny all the other Divines in the past.

Yes Moses was not confessed. But God has different missions for different Prophets. All are sent to “advance” and “fulfill” the Missions of those before Them

The words “life” and “death” CLEARLY in the Bible do not refer to physical life and death. Its as clear as the noonday sun 🙂

…no, Baha’u’llah does not say He is “better” than Jesus. They share a station of essential unity. Jesus never said He was “better” than Moses either.

It’s bizarre therefore that “Christians” claim that Jesus is “better” than Moses.

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It is not “bizarre” if you truly understand what Christians believe. We believe that there are three Persons in God,…we call them Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We believe that the Son became man, (two natures, one divine and one human nature), to redeem us.

He rose from the dead which no other holy person did. Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Beginners of “religions” have a “way”, but Jesus Christ is The Way.
 
Dorothy said:
It is not “bizarre” if you truly understand what Christians believe. We believe that there are three Persons in God,…we call them Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We believe that the Son became man, (two natures, one divine and one human nature), to redeem us.

He rose from the dead which no other holy person did. Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Beginners of “religions” have a “way”, but Jesus Christ is The Way.
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Thank you dear sister 🙂

I understand all that you say here. God bless you 🙂

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tacdon said:
Do false religions worship nothing or do they worship demons?
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The Catholic church does not hold on to the view that other religions are wholly mistaken. That is more of the Fundamentalist Protestant view. Other religions have some measure of truth in them.
 
And you should read what the bahais are saying if you don’t think they are dangerous. They are advocating that the salvation of Is Jesus is not enough, that you need something more, you need their prophet.
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False religion is more of a motive than a body of believers that consider themselves a certain religion. God is very clear that false religion is idolatry, and that you really are worshiping yourself. But in order to be considered a false Christian, you would have to know what it is that you are rejecting. So the Catechism is correct about Muslims that have been Muslim and have never been taught true Christianity. The catechism would not say that a Catholic with full knowledge, love, and faith of the Church, that rejects it and becomes Muslim would be worshiping the same God. They would be worshiping themselves, because they know better, but would rather change God to fit their ideas.

Are the leaders in each of the incorrect churches guilty of false worship? There is no way of telling, but logically, if you believe that God would give each man a fair opportunity to worship him correctly if Catholicism is accessible, then you would have to say that most religious leaders are guilty of false religion, and are helping their followers to get further and further from the Truth who is Jesus Christ.

So their is false religion in the sense of people teaching lies and changing doctrine. This, as a Catholic, would include anybody but the Catholic Church.

Then there is the more serious false religion of people making God fit into their life, and really re-creating God. This could happen even in the Catholic Church, but doesn’t necessarily always happen in religions that would be considered false by the first definition.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
The problem you’re posing isn’t just fear of using the mind. It’s the idea that the demonic seems to be the only alternative.

What’s so dangerous about the ideas of Buddhism and Bahai anyway? They just disagree with Christianity. I’ve had more ‘dangerous’ ideas that would make adherents to both religions pale. :cool:
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What’s so dangerous about those religions is that they are leading people to hell. Jesus is the only way to heaven.
 
Dorothy said:
No, Catholics do not believe that Islam is the truth. In the Catechism it says “they profess to hold the faith of Abraham”…but they do not have the Truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
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What else does the Catholic church say about Islam?

They might profess to hold the faith of Abraham, but that doesn’t mean they do.
 
Sarcelle said:
The Catholic church does not hold on to the view that other religions are wholly mistaken. That is more of the Fundamentalist Protestant view. Other religions have some measure of truth in them.
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Satan also has some measure of truth. He believes Jesus is the son of God.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light
 
tacdon said:
What else does the Catholic church say about Islam?

They might profess to hold the faith of Abraham, but that doesn’t mean they do.
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It is really quite simple. The Church is imitating our Lord in love and compassion. We are also imitating Paul in his method of reaching the most people, by reaching down to a level that we can agree on together. Does that mean Jesus loved sin, or that Paul really was a slave, greek, jew, free man? Not really, it is a method of reaching out to people. We would really love to keep peace with muslims, and hopefully convert as many as possible. The Church realizes there is not really much point in saying all Muslims are going to Hell, what good would that do? We don’t know each Muslim’s circumstance, so we do not try to push them all off as hell bound. Like I said in my previous post, it is all motive, the heart that God looks at.
 
Sochi said:
No religion is false to its adherants
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I know what you are trying to say, but technically it is not always true. I think that the majority of members of Churches, Catholicism included, do not fully trust in ALL that their church believes, therefore claiming it to be false in some aspects. This is a real problem today, probably the biggest problem in the Church. How can huge percents of Catholics be pro-choice and on contraception? The fall under the label of false religion because they reject truth. So the only answer to this problem is one of 2 things, 1. Leave the religion (which I would recommend to any non Catholic) and 2. Change your wrong ideas to match that of Christ’s and his Bride, not the other way around.
 
pacloc said:
It is really quite simple. The Church is imitating our Lord in love and compassion. We are also imitating Paul in his method of reaching the most people, by reaching down to a level that we can agree on together. Does that mean Jesus loved sin, or that Paul really was a slave, greek, jew, free man? Not really, it is a method of reaching out to people. We would really love to keep peace with muslims, and hopefully convert as many as possible. The Church realizes there is not really much point in saying all Muslims are going to Hell, what good would that do? We don’t know each Muslim’s circumstance, so we do not try to push them all off as hell bound. Like I said in my previous post, it is all motive, the heart that God looks at.
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If you accept a muslim as they are, then what is their motivation to change? Paul when he spoke to the people about their idols, he let them know about there errors, so that they could change and follow Jesus instead.
 
tacdon said:
If you accept a muslim as they are, then what is their motivation to change? Paul when he spoke to the people about their idols, he let them know about there errors, so that they could change and follow Jesus instead.
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We do not accept a Muslim as they are in the sense you are saying. We are obligated to preach Christ to them and I believe have done a lot of work doing that. We do teach that some of their beliefs are wrong, but we do not try to distance ourselves from them by viciously attacking them. It is all about the strategy of preaching. If you are not qualified to preach and do so anyways, you bring great sin upon yourself. Telling people you are going to Hell is definitely not the way you start a conversation with another temple of God. Telling them that they are doing good for worshiping the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is a good lead into a conversation about Jesus.
 
tacdon said:
If you accept a muslim as they are, then what is their motivation to change? Paul when he spoke to the people about their idols, he let them know about there errors, so that they could change and follow Jesus instead.
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Muslims worship the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob and recognize Jesus as the Spirit and the Word of God.

They are not idol worshipers.

I find their obligatory prayers, the positions and movements, and the rigor of their prayer life and fasting quite remarkable and beautiful.
 
pacloc said:
We do not accept a Muslim as they are in the sense you are saying. We are obligated to preach Christ to them and I believe have done a lot of work doing that. We do teach that some of their beliefs are wrong, but we do not try to distance ourselves from them by viciously attacking them. It is all about the strategy of preaching. If you are not qualified to preach and do so anyways, you bring great sin upon yourself. Telling people you are going to Hell is definitely not the way you start a conversation with another temple of God. Telling them that they are doing good for worshiping the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is a good lead into a conversation about Jesus.
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They aren’t another temple of God. I’d like to see the other things that the Catholic church has said to muslims or preached to muslims, do you have a link?
 
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