Family behind gender reveal firework that sparked huge El Dorado wildfire in California could face bill for ENTIRE cost of putting blaze out - as Gov

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I honestly feel bad for them. How on earth is anyone supposed to financially recover from that? A prison sentence would be kinder.
 
ConcernedAmerican said:
I honestly feel bad for them. How on earth is anyone supposed to financially recover from that? A prison sentence would be kinder.
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I don’t think they knew it would start a fire. They sell the devices and they seem so innocent. They are relatively cheap, about 25 dollars including the smoke.
 
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I feel like a party disclosing the sex of a child last year also caused a fire.
 
Anyone who grows up in California as I did knows dang well that nearly all of southern California is a desert; they know dang well that a considerable portion of the rest of the state can and does get real dry at this time of year; they know dang well about the hot Santa Ana winds that come nearly every year at the height of the dry season; they know dang well about all the Park Service and Forest Service warnings about fires at the entrance to public parks and wilderness areas; they know dang well the long history of fires all over the state; they know dang well the fires going on now.

I have no sympathy for this family. NONE. They knew better and they did it anyway. It’s bad enough Californians have to deal with fire season routinely, but they don’t need this kind of stupidity to add to their problems. I don’t care if the family called it an accident, they should never have gone there in the first place.

There’s a reason fireworks sales to the general public are banned in most counties in California and what one can get in the counties that still allow their sale are weak sauce. If one sees more interesting stuff on the streets, it was likely bought elsewhere (Mexico is a common source) and illegally imported into the state. There’s a reason public fireworks displays are only allowed in urban areas, they have to be permitted by local fire departments and they have to done by licensed and experienced fireworks professionals. Most of the state is tinder at this time of year.

No sympathy. Save it for the families who may lose their homes and/or businesses to this stupidity.
 
It was a pretty silly thing to do.Parts of CA is full of Eucalypts that burn well.
I would have thought the bushfires in CA the last couple of years woke people up to the danger of bushfires. It took a massive fire here to do that here.
 
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ConcernedAmerican said:
I honestly feel bad for them. How on earth is anyone supposed to financially recover from that? A prison sentence would be kinder.
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gam197 said:
I don’t think they knew it would start a fire. They sell the devices and they seem so innocent. They are relatively cheap, about 25 dollars including the smoke.
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On the surface, it’s easy to feel bad for feckless people like this. But in this case, your sympathy is misplaced. You never grew up in California with fire season every year. It would likely shock you if you were to walk in some of the hilly and mountainous areas around southern California and see just how dry it is out there. Then you might realize how super duper easy it is to light that up. The tiniest match will do it, that is literally all it takes in this climate. It’s a problem that comes with living there and people who don’t take that into account can sure add to it as this family did.

Can’t blame it on climate change either, they’ve had fires in that state since long before the current climate change hubbub. It just seems worse but that’s only because they have so much more population and much of that sprawl pushed deeply into the super dry areas.
 
Seems unfair and extreme. Honestly though, fireworks are super annoying. They cause air pollution, wildfires, disrupt neighborhoods, and they’re not necessary. Just ban them already. Tired of wondering if my house will be burned down by one of my dumb dumb neighbors every 4th of July.
 
umamibella said:
It was a pretty silly thing to do.Parts of CA is full of Eucalypts that burn well.
I would have thought the bushfires the last couple of years woke people up to the danger of bushfires. It took a massive fire here to do that here.
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Eucalyptus trees were imported from elsewhere as are nearly all trees found in California urban areas. They used to be a lot more common before my time but now everyone knows they burn like massive torches so no one plants new ones anymore and I believe that goes back to the 1990’s at least.
 
Yep you imported them from us. I remember them all through Berkley in the late 90s and was really surprised.
 
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Seems unfair and extreme.
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Not at all.

Arson, whether accidental or intentional, is still arson and it is taken very seriously over there given the fire danger.

People who think like you have no idea how dry and flammable the chaparall is at this time of year.
 
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I’m currently looking out my window and it’s so eerie…there is an orange glow and it’s noon right now and looks like it’s dusk. All due to the mountain fires in Colorado. As far as I know, these were all started by lightning strikes but none of them are contained. There’s an ash layer on our cars and people with breathing difficulties are warned to stay inside.

Mountain fires aren’t unexpected here either and a fire ban has been in effect since July. Btw, we are located over 40 miles from the foothills of these mountains! Everyone in Colorado knows Smokey Bears rules. Anyone responsible for starting a forest fire deserves the anger they get. Watching people’s homes burn down is tragic! When the rains come, then we have to deal with flash floods and mudslides as well.

Mother Nature seems very angry right now!
 
Holding persons who start forest [wild] fires responsible for suppression costs is not new and has been done for decades. I believe the first person held responsible for charged restitution is Johnny Cash. He started a fire on the Los Padres NF in California in the mid 1960s. The government took him to court to force restitution for the costs associated with the fire. I believe they settled and he paid approximately 50% of what was initially sued for.

PGE has been held liable for the fire that destroyed the town of Paradise CA

And the teenager who started the Eagle Creek fire with fireworks was ordered to pay $36 million in suppression costs … - like they will ever collect but he should pay - just as this family should

 
ThomasMT said:
Since it seems that you joined CAF is search of attention, I’m happy to give you some.
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That is really not nice. It is not the Christian way. Are we to be the example to non christians or to put them down?

@Pattylt I remember watching Smokey Bear cartoons as a kid. We have both deliberately lit and not deliberately lit fires that cause a lot of destruction. I think the answer to the non deliberately lit fires is a public education campaign with things as simple as dont drive your vehicle or operate machinery on fire ban days. Today is the 8th day of spring here and there is a bushfire on the run already. We are in for a bad fire season if we already have bushfires running. It was flooding a few weeks ago
 
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umamibella said:
It is not the Christian way.
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The Christian way entails preservation of truth. It is also the way of charity, and in this case I sincerely and in all charity offer prayers. If your advice is to water disordered seeds of perversion and distortion, such as in this case, the perversion and distortion of a lovely tradition that celebrates God given life AND gender, that’s your prerogative.

I share your concern for this person whom may well be young and struggling with issues outside of our scope. However, given the anti-Christian ideology that is being consistently promoted, I’ll pass on the lukewarm attitude.
 
ThomasMT said:
The Christian way entails preservation of truth. It is also the way of charity, and in this case I sincerely and in all charity offer prayers. If your advice is to water disordered seeds of perversion and distortion, such as in this case, the perversion and distortion of a lovely tradition that celebrates God given life AND gender, that’s your prerogative.

I share your concern for this person whom may well be young and struggling with issues outside of our scope. However, given the anti-Christian ideology that is being consistently promoted, I’ll pass on the lukewarm attitude.
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ThomasMT said:
Since it seems that you joined CAF is search of attention,
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You are attacking the person. In preservation of truth, that is an attack.
You also chose to attack me with
ThomasMT said:
If your advice is to water disordered seeds of perversion and distortion, such as in this case, the perversion and distortion of a lovely tradition that celebrates God given life AND gender, that’s your prerogative.
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Love thy neighbour and be kind
 
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No, I’m attacking the person’s objective in offering such a statement. Perhaps I’m not PC enough in the way I go about it. I’m am sincere, however… that is a fact. Kindness intails more than patting fallacy on the back.

We can agree to disagree.
 
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