Family of Abortion Business Owner Dies in Montana Plane Crash

[nsper7]

And this thought just crossed my mind a minute ago. Could this also be part of God’s mercy? What I mean is, right now, those children were probably innocent or whatever, but what would have happened if they had lived to inherit their family’s ‘business’?

 

[NTOT]

There is a difference: because God gave us life, He can take it away. A human being cannot take life except under very certain circumstances (i.e. self-defense). I am not trying to say this was an act of God, but merely to suggest it might or may have been.

Actually all evil that happens is the result of sin.

As one who has been reading the Old Testament a lot lately, you’ll see that sometime God does punish the family for the sins of a relative. So, it is not a categorical impossibility…

The whole human race suffers the consequences of Adam’s sin.
The unborn are the innocent who suffer for the sins of their parents when they are aborted. They are aborted at the hands of man, but ultimately they are called from this world by God.

 

[turtle18]

No one can understand God’s ways. It does say in several places in the Bible that God will punish a wicked man’s children…down to the fourth generation.

But we also see where righteous men (Job) lose their families in order to have their faith tested.

Hey, I don’t understand it but that is what the Bible says.

We see a very holy woman watch her innocent Son be murdered—it was God’s will that Jesus’s death serve a higher purpose. So while death might be a punishment for some, sometimes it is used for a higher purpose. And if you truly believe in the Resurrection, death is not a tragedy at all–you will have pain in missing your family members but God took away the tragedy of death for all those who follow His ways. Death is only a punishment if you are going to Hell.

A family & children are blessings from God. God blessed this man with a family, many children and grandchildren. This wasn’t his first grandchild to die. If it is a wake-up call for the abortionist to repent and turn his life around…who are we to question it? God has made many, many goods spring out of horrendous situations.

Of course, it could also be some weird cosmic coincidence–it’s not for me to say; personally I don’t believe in them but if it makes you feel better, by all means believe it.

 

[sweetnay]

I think it’s completely natural to speclate, that’s what humans do for better or for worse. Interesting they crashed just near the grave of a pro-life priest–but there I go again. We won’t know in this life God’s full plan, though we yearn for a reason. Perhaps we’ll see it was God’s mercy in the long run, those children were innocent–but the souls of their Grandparents are not and are in mortal danger. If, in the end, eternity is all that matters…

 

[Ana]

This is utterly and deeply ofensive. I am not sure what you are geting at here but perhaps you may need some additional instruction before you come into full communion.

What exactly was so offensive about her post? She asked a question … Since when are questions offensive? To say that she needs more instruction and is not ready for full communion in the Church … Because she asked a question? It sounds like YOU may be the one in need of instruction.:tsktsk:But perhaps I am not understanding your position clearly. Could you please state what is wrong with asking this question, and maybe even answer it with a thought out and logical reply instead of an insult? I will repeat it for you …

“What were the firstborn son’s of Egypt being punished for?”

 

[nsper7]

What exactly was so offensive about her post? She asked a question … Since when are questions offensive? To say that she needs more instruction and is not ready for full communion in the Church … Because she asked a question? It sounds like YOU may be the one in need of instruction.:tsktsk:But perhaps I am not understanding your position clearly. Could you please state what is wrong with asking this question, and maybe even answer it with a thought out and logical reply instead of an insult? I will repeat it for you …

“What were the firstborn son’s of Egypt being punished for?”

BTW- I am a he

 

[Ana]

BTW- I am a he

OOPS!! Sorry …

 

[Feanor2]

Listen I am not downplaying the evil which this man and his wife were involved with- that is not the point of my reply.

This concept of concentration on “God’s retribution” is more Protestant than Catholic.

Catholics MAY believe in this concept but we leave this issue to God as he is the sole judge. We are all guilty of sin and we all justly deserve God’s wrath.

 

[aicirt]

Whoa. That’s uncalled for.

I agree.

I saw nothing in the regular news re. the grandfather’s ownership of abortion clinics. It was also stated the plane crashed near a memorial for the unborn. Catholics pray the rosary there for those aborted. There is too much here for all of it not to have gone reported in the major news.

Why were the children of the Egyptians killed? Because it was the only thing that made the Pharoh give up his control of the Jews. But it didn’t last long.

No one in his right mind would ever pray this happen to these beautiful families who were living a beautiful life. Silmultaneously, I’m remembering a grandfather who told me about his son devestated that the girl he had gotten pregnant went off, without telling him, and got an abortion. The son had planned on marrying her. He and his parents went into therapy, the son dropped out of college and to this day they still mourn the child they lost.

 

[numealinesimpet]

And this thought just crossed my mind a minute ago. Could this also be part of God’s mercy? What I mean is, right now, those children were probably innocent or whatever, but what would have happened if they had lived to inherit their family’s ‘business’?

Yes, a valid and pertinent point. It is not necessarily a punishment when God ends a human life. We as mortals are not qualified to end someone else’s life, but God, who sees all things, is entitled to end a life to protect the person from a forseen evil in the future. This has been, I believe, quite often asserted by Catholic spiritual writers.

It does open the whole issue of God’s foreknowledge. Granted we have free will, can God actually know what we **would ** freely choose to do? And then prevent it before it happens? It doesn’t seem to make sense, and yet we have the clear words of Holy Scripture:

Mt 11:21-23
21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

…Yet, if that is really so, why doesn’t He prevent everything evil? Why does anyone go to Hell? Yet we have the case of Judas at least. St. Francis de Sales (and no doubt other writers) warns us not to deliberate too much about these things, which are above our comprehension.
When I read about this plane crash myself, my thought was, “so He has mercifully prevented any more mortal sins by these adults (their eternal fate is up to God’s Judgment), and He has mercifully taken the children away before they become like their parents”.
It doesn’t necessarily “set a precedent”, because God has an individualised Action Plan for each one of us.