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Unfortunately I’m living 3 hours away because of work. It’ll be this way for the next 6 yrs when I retire. All the kids will be out of school by then. My parents currently live in the same town as my children and they attend some of their sports functions. I’m fully supportive and appreciative of them spending time with my kids. I always let them know opportunities to see the kids. My children are 11-18 so they certainly can get over to Nana’s house themselves. I was seeing them twice a month but my ex asked the friend of the court to change it to once a month because of the distance, which they did. State’s policy on visitation for “long distance” parents. I gave in to my oldest last year for all her events and working and basically only saw her a few days during the year. She’s going to college now and hopefully I’ll see her more as she’s only an hour away. I could force the issue but again I don’t want to push it too hard and make them miss stuff. I also do go up to their events when I can. I’m trying to decide now whether or not I let my parents know why I specifically think it’s wrong for them to have her over for dinner. I told my Mom I thought it was wrong and she said she’s sorry I feel that way. We do have a great relationship. Divorce stinks, nothing good about it but I have to make the best with what I have.
 
Unfortunately I’m living 3 hours away because of work. It’ll be this way for the next 6 yrs when I retire. All the kids will be out of school by then. My parents currently live in the same town as my children and they attend some of their sports functions. I’m fully supportive and appreciative of them spending time with my kids. I always let them know opportunities to see the kids. My children are 11-18 so they certainly can get over to Nana’s house themselves. I was seeing them twice a month but my ex asked the friend of the court to change it to once a month because of the distance, which they did. State’s policy on visitation for “long distance” parents. I gave in to my oldest last year for all her events and working and basically only saw her a few days during the year. She’s going to college now and hopefully I’ll see her more as she’s only an hour away. I could force the issue but again I don’t want to push it too hard and make them miss stuff. I also do go up to their events when I can. I’m trying to decide now whether or not I let my parents know why I specifically think it’s wrong for them to have her over for dinner. I told my Mom I thought it was wrong and she said she’s sorry I feel that way. We do have a great relationship. Divorce stinks, nothing good about it but I have to make the best with what I have.
As one who grew up with an uncommon family situation after divorce, I can understand the hurt, but at the same time, I want to say “get over it”. My dad had affairs on my mom, requested an “open marriage” and they divorced when she refused. My dad remarried first. My mom and my step-mom (whom was one of his mistresses) get along great. My sister and brother from my dad and step-mom’s marriage have come to events with my mom’s family, heck, my sister has stayed overnight at my mom’s. My mom has been invited to all her ex-in-law’s parties (and has attended a few). My dad has gone golfing with some of my mom’s relatives. And everyone has gone to the wakes of the other’s families. My aunt and uncle (on my dad’s side) love talking with and visiting with my step-dad, many cousins on my mom’s side have visited my dad and stayed at his house. It’s one big get-a-long fest.

As another poster stated, YOUR relationship with your kids is of more importance. Your oldest goes to school an hour away, great, you should take her/him to dinner every other Sunday. Your other children are teens and need you now more than ever. My dad lived a little over an hour away when I was a teen and he would drive after work to come to my concerts, plays and musicals. The concerts were always on weeknights, so that would mean he wouldn’t get home until 11pm or later. He also would occasionally come on a weeknight just to take me to dinner. When I was younger and he lived that hour+ drive away, he’d drive down and take me to Y-Trailblazers (a father and daughter or father and son organization) about twice a month on weekdays. There are many things I wish he had told me and guided me on, and we had our years of butting heads and my not liking him very much, but now that I"m older I’ve realized that he won’t change, so I love him for who he is. You still need to lead your children, focus on that. And if you feel pain, imagine the pain they feel. And to them, since you didn’t fight to keep two weekends a month, that probably does sting and hurt them, that they aren’t worth the fight.

Three hours isn’t a long drive, and since your family lives in the same town as your children, go and stay with them on your non-visitation weekends and join in on watching your children participate in school-sponsored events. On your deathbed, you’ll regret if you don’t.
 
You’ve got a tough row to hoe there buddy.

I don’t know what the deal with your sister was, but that was just plain hurtful.

I do feel your hurt, and understand where you are coming from. But I do want you to look at something realistically. Parents love their grandkids!.. It just is… They love their own children, but their children are now grown adults. Being around their grandkids, in a way, lets them feel like they are parents again. It makes them feel needed, and just being around children brings joy, and life. In a small way, it brings back all the good memories they had (for a few hours anyway), of having things the way it used to be 40 or 50 years ago for them when they were raising you. You yourself said that you don’t get to see the kids that often. (doesn’t matter the reason, it’s just a fact) So if your parents want to see their grankids, this is what they have to do. The first time your parents wanted to see the grandkids, they might not have known how to word things, so they just said to ex., " would you and kids like to come to dinner" Because of being busy eating, they didn’t have to talk to her as much as they would have to if they were having coffee. The ex. might of liked the idea of not having to cook, so she kept coming along and now it’s an established pattern.
Your ex. was “their daughter” for 19 years, and it is hard for a “parent” to just throw a kid out, even if they’ve been bad. When you married ex., you were the one that brought her into your family, and they accepted her as family. It is hard sometimes to then expect everyone to suddenly unaccept her as family, even when they do wrong. People have feelings for people, sometimes that’s just how it is. We used to see an ex-brother in law because we liked him. But we did it quietly, and it wasn’t often, but my sister never knew. But then I probably would have been the bad guy if she had found out, because then she would have accused us of going behind her back. There really are no winners.

I do understand your hurt and pain, and I wish things could be different for you. Be glad for the one good thing in all this…your children and their grandparents are bonding. That is such an important and wonderful thing for a child to have. Your children will become better people for having been close to their grandparents. There is no other bond like it, it’s special. Concentrate on that, not the rest of it.
 
Unfortunately I’m living 3 hours away because of work. It’ll be this way for the next 6 yrs when I retire. All the kids will be out of school by then. My parents currently live in the same town as my children and they attend some of their sports functions. I’m fully supportive and appreciative of them spending time with my kids. I always let them know opportunities to see the kids. My children are 11-18 so they certainly can get over to Nana’s house themselves. I was seeing them twice a month but my ex asked the friend of the court to change it to once a month because of the distance, which they did. State’s policy on visitation for “long distance” parents. I gave in to my oldest last year for all her events and working and basically only saw her a few days during the year. She’s going to college now and hopefully I’ll see her more as she’s only an hour away. I could force the issue but again I don’t want to push it too hard and make them miss stuff. I also do go up to their events when I can. I’m trying to decide now whether or not I let my parents know why I specifically think it’s wrong for them to have her over for dinner. I told my Mom I thought it was wrong and she said she’s sorry I feel that way. We do have a great relationship. Divorce stinks, nothing good about it but I have to make the best with what I have.
Considering the ages of your kids, probably the best thing to do is to let their wishes prevail. Surely your parents will want to do that. Call your mom and tell her you have been thinking about the situation, and that you need to put the kids first. In order to spare the kids pressure from you, you would like her to ask the kids privately if they have an opinion about having their mom or her boyfriend there for dinners at the grandparents’ house. Tell her that you will go along with whatever they want, you will understand if your wife keeps those wishes from being honored, but you just want the kids to be consulted.

Ask her to make it clear that it is entirely about what they want and not about what you or your ex wife want. Ask her to assure them that she will not tell you or their mom what they said, or how the conversation went, but that she will simply try to take it into account as much as she can in the future. Ask her to invite the kids to let her know if they ever change their minds in the future, too, that they should feel free to tell her how they feel. If the kids know that the option is theirs, and as much without pressure as possible, they will feel everyone is putting their welfare first, especially Grandma and Grandpa. Since they have had the least responsibility and the most of the burden to bear because of the divorce, that is the main thing.

It may well be that they would rather have time with their mom and grandparents without him along, though. It may be that they’ll like the idea that they can ask for time alone with Grandma and Grandpa. If they want your ex and her husband to be included in visits to Grandma and Grandpa’s, though, let them have it. Do ask you mom to ask them, and to not share what they have to say about it with you, though. It would be best if the inclusion of your wife and/or her new man at these events was done with your permission, but still as far outside your awareness as possible. That is a reasonable request.

I think it will be much easier to endure these visits if you are enduring them in order to make post-divorce life easier for your kids. That’s a sacrifice you won’t regret, and one that you will choose, rather than having had it thrust upon you. Where you would be hurt if your family ignored your feelings, you would feel grateful if they put the feelings of your children ahead of yours. You mom will undoubtedly be happy (and proud of you) to have your blessings to put more weight on the opinion of the kids than anyone else’s. Unless your ex makes her presence a condition of visits, your mom will probably do all she can not to her there if the kids want to be at Grandma’s without her. Grandmas are very “mama bear”, that way!
 
Unfortunately I’m living 3 hours away because of work. It’ll be this way for the next 6 yrs when I retire. All the kids will be out of school by then. My parents currently live in the same town as my children and they attend some of their sports functions. I’m fully supportive and appreciative of them spending time with my kids. I always let them know opportunities to see the kids. My children are 11-18 so they certainly can get over to Nana’s house themselves. I was seeing them twice a month but my ex asked the friend of the court to change it to once a month because of the distance, which they did. State’s policy on visitation for “long distance” parents. I gave in to my oldest last year for all her events and working and basically only saw her a few days during the year. She’s going to college now and hopefully I’ll see her more as she’s only an hour away. I could force the issue but again I don’t want to push it too hard and make them miss stuff. I also do go up to their events when I can. I’m trying to decide now whether or not I let my parents know why I specifically think it’s wrong for them to have her over for dinner. I told my Mom I thought it was wrong and she said she’s sorry I feel that way. We do have a great relationship. Divorce stinks, nothing good about it but I have to make the best with what I have.
Your children won’t miss stuff on their weekends with you if you go to their town. Can you and your kids stay with your parents on the weekends that you have visitation? If not, can you get a hotel one night a month and be in their town. Then the kids can be in town for their activities while you get to see them. **Don’t make them come to you; go to them! **

I know kids want to do their activities, but they also need to have a relationship with you. It’s normal for children to pull away from parents and be interested in other activities at their ages, but they still need their dad. Their dad isn’t their moms current boyfriend–and you don’t have to just go away and let him participate in their lives more than you do. Even if you feel rejected by your ex-wife and now by your family, you need to make sure your children don’t feel rejected by you. Whatever happened between the adults, your children want their lives to go on as normal as possible. Travelling to another town to visit dad while missing their activities isn’t “normal.” Mom having an affair, mom and dad divorcing, dad moving away from his children–none of that is “normal” either.

As your oldest is in college and living closer to you, that gives you a new opportunity to reach out to her. Frequently offer to take her to lunch, etc. She’s moved on from being a child in your ex-wife’s home to being a young adult. Maybe you can even sometimes offer her a ride to your parents with you on the weekends so you can be together with all your children.

Also, I’m glad you have a good relationship with your ex-wife,* but…* it seems that perhaps these “good relationships” happen because people like you, your family and even the friend of the court let her have her way. You’re mad at your parents and your sister, but it looks like you’re basically all doing about the same thing: seeing those kids on her terms and letting her have her way.

Ask if your parents will let you and your kids stay with them on your weekends. And go see your children every chance you get.
 
Thank you all for the advice. It’s all good. I do go to my parents when I can, however, they winter in Florida and lock up the house in the winter. I have stayed at motels to participate in their events. If we can, please share your thoughts / comments on my original post / question ref my family socializing with my ex-wife. We got off track a bit. Also to clear up a few things, to my knowledge the only time my ex’s boyfriend was involved is when they spent a week at my sisters. I don’t think he’s going to my parents with my children.

My main concern was whether or not my thinking was off base that the situation should be different. I understand and support my parents spending time with their grandchildren. What I have trouble with is them including my ex-wife. Anyway, it’s difficult to relate to unless you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes. I’ve learned many lessons going through this divorce and that is one of them.
 
Thank you all for the advice. It’s all good. I do go to my parents when I can, however, they winter in Florida and lock up the house in the winter. I have stayed at motels to participate in their events. If we can, please share your thoughts / comments on my original post / question ref my family socializing with my ex-wife. We got off track a bit. Also to clear up a few things, to my knowledge the only time my ex’s boyfriend was involved is when they spent a week at my sisters. I don’t think he’s going to my parents with my children.

My main concern was whether or not my thinking was off base that the situation should be different. I understand and support my parents spending time with their grandchildren. What I have trouble with is them including my ex-wife. Anyway, it’s difficult to relate to unless you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes. I’ve learned many lessons going through this divorce and that is one of them.
Granted, I’m the child, but I can say that I find it much more relaxing when my parents spend time and get along with the ex-in-laws than what I have seen my other product of divorce peers go through. How my mom feels, not threatened in the least bit. She’s happy to not have to go to bed or wake up next to my dad. And she isn’t hurt when her family spends time with my dad. She knows that for her childrens’ sake, having positive relationships is much better than having constant conflict. For my mom, her kids being at peace is of the upmost importance. My dad treated her shabbily, but she still will never (and never has) tolerate my complaints about him because he has been good to me and my brother overall.
 
…How my mom feels, not threatened in the least bit. She’s happy to not have to go to bed or wake up next to my dad…
That is a rather big difference than this instance. Imagine that your dad had not left your mom for another woman, but had given up his job and his self-respect in order to leave you and your other siblings in order to parent other kids, instead. You can imagine how it would hurt to see him with those kids.

It’s not exactly the same situation, but then your mom is not in the same situation as the OP, either.

It is a great gift to the kids to make nice in situations that cannot be avoided, or that are happening for the sake of the kids, though. You are very very right about that! 👍
 
…My main concern was whether or not my thinking was off base that the situation should be different. I understand and support my parents spending time with their grandchildren. What I have trouble with is them including my ex-wife. Anyway, it’s difficult to relate to unless you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes. I’ve learned many lessons going through this divorce and that is one of them.
Of course the situation should be different! Your ex-wife should never have had an affair, and you should both still be happily married to each other!

I can understand that you’d be hurt by your parents and family including your ex-wife. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t include her–especially if that’s what they need to do in order to see their grandchildren. I think it’s really normal for you to feel hurt in this situation. I just don’t know if there’s anything that you can or should do to change it except what I already suggested.

Prayers for you and your family.
 
I wouldn’t have another thing to do with my father if he said this until he apologized and ended contact with your ex.

Same thing with sister.

Go back to your lawyer if she is disobeying custody.

Blood is supposed to be thicker than water and cheating ex-wives with no morals.
Boy another zinger in this thread here too:mad: You and I agree again. Unbelievable.:eek: What’s happened to people?
 
Thank you all for the advice. It’s all good. I do go to my parents when I can, however, they winter in Florida and lock up the house in the winter. I have stayed at motels to participate in their events. If we can, please share your thoughts / comments on my original post / question ref my family socializing with my ex-wife. We got off track a bit. Also to clear up a few things, to my knowledge the only time my ex’s boyfriend was involved is when they spent a week at my sisters. I don’t think he’s going to my parents with my children.

My main concern was whether or not my thinking was off base that the situation should be different. I understand and support my parents spending time with their grandchildren. What I have trouble with is them including my ex-wife. Anyway, it’s difficult to relate to unless you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes. I’ve learned many lessons going through this divorce and that is one of them.
After knowing your wife for so many years, it may be difficult for them to accept that she’s left the family. They’d never exclude you from their home, of course. After so many years of thinking of your first wife as a member of their family, they may not be able to get their heads around her choice and what it means to her relationship to you–and by extension, to them. They may be trying to treat her as they would treat your sister, if your sister had done some awful thing to you so that you and your sister were not on speaking terms. Like your kids, they probably wish deep down that the nightmare could be over, that their DIL had not betrayed you or your kids or your entire family by her acts, that the divorce never happened, and that the betrayal that lead to the divorce was not a betrayal. They want to pretend that harm was not done, or that equal harm coming from the both sides will feel the same as no harm done at all. They want to live as much as they can according to that pretense. I think that is what is behind your dad’s incredible comment about this matter not being about him. Unbelievable, but still understandable.

The parents of my first fiance were like this. We were very fond of each other, but they did not seem to understand that it was wrong for them to try to have a “separate” relationship with me. I say this even though I broke the engagement off with their son because he had an affair after our engagement. He was still their son! He still needed them to prefer him over me. He deserved that. So while it was right for them to be cordial, it would have been very wrong to include me in their lives in a more substantial way, at least, not more substantial than a friendship between their son and me would warrant.

If you have gotten an annulment, they may rationalize, “Hey, no marriage, no harm, no foul.” Of course that is not true, either. Those attempting a marriage in good faith are bound to continue in good faith until the attempt is declared null. No matter what they saw or thought they saw while living in your home, your wife’s violation has no excuse. As Catholics, they must realize that. They may not want to face it, though. Unfortunately, like your kids, they had front-row seats. They found the stories they needed to tell themselves get themselves through your wife’s affair and your divorce. People cope in a hundred ways through something like that.

In other words, while your family is not being considerate of your feelings and dignity and the reality of your situation, try to be patient with them. I don’t think they’re trying to be cruel. Rather, realize that they are in their own situation, coping with their own complicated feelings about the matter. I don’t think they realize how unrealistic their wish is that things be other than what they are between you and your first wife. You can re-orient them to reality, let them know when they do something that hurts you unnecessarily, but be as gentle as you can.

Good luck.
 
What I have trouble with is them including my ex-wife. Anyway, it’s difficult to relate to unless you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes. I’ve learned many lessons going through this divorce and that is one of them.
I can only imagine your pain… But she’s NOT your children’s ex-mother. And since she has custody, everyone has to work with her. That’s the way it works. When you are the legal parent, anyone that wants (name removed by moderator)ut must go their way.

I’m sure losing your spouse this way was very hurtful. However, I suspect your family had good relations with her prior to the breakup. It’s NOT really reasonable to expect them to just dump her. ESPECIALLY if she will always be in the picture because of the children.

I happen to come from a very close knit family. When each of us girls married, we graciously accepted the spouse. We become friends in addition to family. When my sister divorced her husband it was gut wrenching. She literally tore away a good friend. No children involved… so we slowly lost him. My mothers sister divorced MY UNCLE when I was just a baby. He was in my life until he died. He happens to be the father of all my cousins. I would graciouslly accept him in my home under all the circumstances that happened. Only my Aunt was just as gracious. Just 'cause their marriage didn’t work out, and it was devistating for both of them, she saw no reason for us to divorce him too. She cared for him on his death bed, their children got to see the compassion within them at the worst moment of losing a parent.

And although, I think your feelings are important, and perhaps your family should at least acknowledge that you’re hurt… it’s not just about you… everyone has something to lose here.

So, I guess maybe it’s just too bad that you didn’t marry one of those woman that the whole family wishes would just step out infront of a bus.
 
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