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Vico
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I read that shellfish were abundant along the Mediterranean shores and so were considered poor man’s food, whereas the fish with backbones were relatively expensive.
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Margaret_Ann
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Thank you very much! I had no idea that was the case. Please post your source if you find it.
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AlNg
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However, at the local Byzantine Catholic Church (Ruthenian), for the Apostles’ fast, they say not to eat meat on Wednesdays and Fridays, but fish, oil wine, eggs and dairy, etc. are allowed.
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babochka
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We Ruthenians aren’t really known for strictly adhering to traditional fasting disciplines.
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Angel_Gabriel
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Ukrainians are pretty lenient here as well.
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Aulef
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Yes, Roman Catholics are bound to Friday abstinence.
Regarding your second paragraph, I also am not sure about when it starts. When not sure, the safest is to begin Thursday sundown and end Saturday morning.
Regarding your second paragraph, I also am not sure about when it starts. When not sure, the safest is to begin Thursday sundown and end Saturday morning.
Tis_Bearself
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Please refer to the thread on Fasting that I linked. Please discuss it further there if necessary.
The thread has several posts on how we RCs in the USA are not so bound.
Jimmy Akin has done an analysis of this and there have been past threads on it on CAF, this question comes up over and over.
However, this is the wrong thread to discuss it.
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Margaret_Ann
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Thank you for the link.
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Margaret_Ann
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Thank you very much for in the information.
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Margaret_Ann
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And now shellfish are more expensive than fish with backbones (e.g. scallops vs tuna).
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AlNg
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They are? A local priest says not?
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Vico
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At about $3/lb the less expensive fish (Light Tuna) and mussels are comparable in price.
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Margaret_Ann
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Mussels? I didn’t think of them. Thanks for mentioning it.
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dochawk
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they’re not meat; they’re sea bugs/
seriously.
I the first two centuries, when these rulings originated, only the poorest of the poor had to eat these disgusting things.
i suppose butter being available in large quantity changed things . . .
has absolutely nothing to do with Eastern fasting . . .
Eastern fasting, traditionally, is every Wednesday and Friday, save when feasting, e.g. bright week, overrides.
all churches with the St. Phillips fast are the 40 days (it seems to be the only 40 day period in any church that is actually 40 days by any sane count, but anyway . . .). the observance in many churches is seriously relaxed modernly.
We’re “the fasting wimps of the Eastern Church”
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Aulef
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Ok, I will take a look and continue this discussion there
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Aulef
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The three local priests I usually talk to say we are bound to…
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AlNg
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Is this the Eastern Catholic or the Roman Catholic rule on Friday fasting? In what country? Do these rules bind under pain of sin or are they something we should strive for if possible?
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Vico
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It is common to east and west so it does. See, for example:…
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has absolutely nothing to do with Eastern fasting . . .
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- A stuffed belly produces fornication, while a mortified stomach leads to purity.
- To fast is to do violence to nature. It is to do away what whatever pleases the palate. Fasting ends lust, roots out bad thoughts, frees one from evil dreams.
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Mary888
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In EO, only in Greece it is allowed. It is because they say these are “sea fruits” but everyone else in the East lists them as “fish” and are only allowed when in the calendar it is said “fish allowed”. When in doubt it is simpler to just not eat it.
Even if the liturgical day starts at sundown the fasting starts the next morning as far as I know for lay people. Priests, monks and nuns follow stricter rules. It is easiest to just talk with your priest and ask him how to do it.
In EO a fasting day means no to: meat of any type, fish, eggs, milk and derived products, oil and wine. This is the standard definition (held strictest by the Russians). From this local bishops give permissions according to the calendar or their own general interpretations (like in Greece for shellfish). This is why the clearest list of permissions you will get from your church.
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