Fasting to support illegal immigration

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Why? I think it makes sense. They want to be Americans, and once they get over here they for the most part stay out of trouble and live their lives. Again Wabrams, read something from the other side of the subject. I would recommend Enriques Journey, I think you could really learn something… Have you ever been south of the border Wabrams?
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wabrams:
That has got to one of the craziest things I have ever heard.
 
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TarAshly:
Why? I think it makes sense. They want to be Americans, and once they get over here they for the most part stay out of trouble and live their lives. Again Wabrams, read something from the other side of the subject. I would recommend Enriques Journey, I think you could really learn something…
No it doesn’t. They’re willing to follow all the laws of a country they came to illegally (broke the law), but are unwilling to follow the law that would have let them come here legally.
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TarAshly:
Have you ever been south of the border Wabrams?
You know this is like the second or third time you’ve asked me that; and the answer is “yes” 😃
 
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wabrams:
No it doesn’t. They’re willing to follow all the laws of a country they came to illegally (broke the law), but are unwilling to follow the law that would have let them come here legally.

You know this is like the second or third time you’ve asked me that; and the answer is “yes” 😃
Well when you were south in the border, where you in real Mexico. Or where you in little pockets of America/Europe planted in Mexico i.e resorts? As one of my friends who was an exchange student to Mexico staid.

Besides the whole point is that its actaully quite hard to come to America legally… Not everyone who wants to come get to come, this country only allows certain people to come. It’s not like someone can just file a paper and then in a couple of months come to the United States. If that was the case more Mexicans would be doing that.
 
I just saw the Cardinal saying Mass (today’s “special” pro-illegal Mass)…and wouldn’t you know it, but he’s using his glass kool-aid pitcher with the matching glass goblets for the blood of Christ… :mad:

I guess I shouldn’t get all bent out of shape by a “Prince of the Church” tossing the GIRM to the wayside… :mad:
 
The Cardinal is against shelters and churches being forced to ask people seeking food, water, and shelter if they are legal citizens of the United States which is one of the stipulations in this bill.

I am against illegal immigration. It is wrong. People can bring new diseases and viloence and who knows what else across the borders. We have immigration laws in place for a reason.
My wife is from Ireland. We have had to pay around 6k now for green card status. So yes it does make me angry when people can just jump a fence and take what is not rightfully thiers. But however if somebody came to me asking for water I would not turn them down.
God bless,

jon
 
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Isidore_AK:
I just saw the Cardinal saying Mass (today’s “special” pro-illegal Mass)…and wouldn’t you know it, but he’s using his glass kool-aid pitcher with the matching glass goblets for the blood of Christ… :mad:

I guess I shouldn’t get all bent out of shape by a “Prince of the Church” tossing the GIRM to the wayside… :mad:
Is it legal for a priest (or Cardinal) to use glass goblets and pitchers at Mass? I noticed that there were several other occasions where this happened.
 
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bekalc:
Well when you were south in the border, where you in real Mexico. Or where you in little pockets of America/Europe planted in Mexico i.e resorts? As one of my friends who was an exchange student to Mexico staid.
You mean was I only in the tourist areas? No, that wasn’t the only places in Mexico I have been.
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bekalc:
Besides the whole point is that its actaully quite hard to come to America legally… Not everyone who wants to come get to come, this country only allows certain people to come. It’s not like someone can just file a paper and then in a couple of months come to the United States. If that was the case more Mexicans would be doing that.
Guess what? We do that for a reason: to limit the number of people we let in a year.
 
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TarAshly:
Why? I think it makes sense. They want to be Americans, and once they get over here they for the most part stay out of trouble and live their lives.
Well, I can’t speak for the ones in California but here in Texas it is a different story. When the protest marches were occuring last week, the big chant was “Mexico, Mexico” not “USA” and most of the demonstators were carrying Mexican flags. In the southwest the consensus seems to be that since this part of the country was once part of Mexico, they should be allowed free access. That has nothing to do with “free migration”. They don’t care about the illegals from Colombia, El Salvador or Russia.

I don’t claim to know what the answer is but I don’t think that completely free migration is the answer.
 
We should support immigration reform to allow more immigrants. We should NOT support illegal immigration.
I agree. Of course no one should support “illegal” immigration. That makes no sense! Rather, what should be supported if anything, is changing the laws so that practices now illegal are made legal.

I feel for the immigrants. And while legal channels should be opened so that they can come and pay taxes…often times we do not know their personal stories.

Most of them are Catholic remember, and contributing to the increasingly Catholic character of our country. So I am more inclined to favor them than the Muslim immigrants into Europe, which I think needs to be limited and Europe must be very careful about.
 
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wabrams:
You mean was I only in the tourist areas? No, that wasn’t the only places in Mexico I have been.

Guess what? We do that for a reason: to limit the number of people we let in a year.
That’s right. Why do people think we had immagration laws in the first place? The answer is that we could prevent a problem like we have now. Neither political party has done anything in the last 25 years to prevent this. Now that they are unwilling to enforce the present laws, they want to change them so they don’t have to enforce them. The proposed laws coming to the house and senate are mostly unworkable or very unpopular, and are just feel-good legislation to make people think that the politicians are trying to do something. We need to have secure borders first, and then take care of the rest of the mess afterwards.
 
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Kirane:
Is it legal for a priest (or Cardinal) to use glass goblets and pitchers at Mass? I noticed that there were several other occasions where this happened.
No. Thats why it makes me mad! Its explicitly spelled out in the Redemptionis Sacramentum:
RS Chapter V:
  1. Sacred Vessels
[117.] Sacred vessels for containing the Body and Blood of the Lord must be made in strict conformity with the norms of tradition and of the liturgical books.[205]The Bishops’ Conferences have the faculty to decide whether it is appropriate, once their decisions have been given the recognitio by the Apostolic See, for sacred vessels to be made of other solid materials as well. It is strictly required, however, that such materials be truly noble in the common estimation within a given region,[206]so that honour will be given to the Lord by their use, and all risk of diminishing the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species in the eyes of the faithful will be avoided. Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate.[207]
 
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Corki:
Well, I can’t speak for the ones in California but here in Texas it is a different story. When the protest marches were occuring last week, the big chant was “Mexico, Mexico” not “USA” and most of the demonstators were carrying Mexican flags. In the southwest the consensus seems to be that since this part of the country was once part of Mexico, they should be allowed free access. That has nothing to do with “free migration”. They don’t care about the illegals from Colombia, El Salvador or Russia.

I don’t claim to know what the answer is but I don’t think that completely free migration is the answer.
Im in Texas too, and thats not what I saw, or perhaps I took it differently, there is a protest march in Houston this coming Monday, I am going to try my best to be there!
 
Besides the whole point is that its actaully quite hard to come to America legally… Not everyone who wants to come get to come, this country only allows certain people to come. It’s not like someone can just file a paper and then in a couple of months come to the United States. If that was the case more Mexicans would be doing that.
So. We should only bother enforcing laws that are easy to obey? We aren’t obligated to follow the law if we feel it’s a personal hardship? It should be hard to come to here. And only certain people should be allowed. This ensures economic stability and general security! If we need drs/nurses, then we open the door a bit wider for immigrants with those abilities than those who do not. We need people of good citizenship and economic growth potential to get first priority, not random masses comming over by dark of night.
Originally Posted by TarAshly
*Why? I think it makes sense. They want to be Americans, *
This is very often NOT the case legal or illegal. Most are here strictly for economic gains either through work or through education options. Only a few of the many ever obtain american citizenship and many have no desire at all to blend cultures. Like most social situations, they usually stick to their own ethnic social circles rather than conforming to the general population - this is especially true in cases of illegals because the very nature of their illegal status puts up a barrier in many situations.
and once they get over here they for the most part stay out of trouble and live their lives.
That is not provable because they are illegal, which means we have no idea who they are, where they are, or what they are doing and have no way of tracking them. This makes it very easy for them to commit illegal acts and get away with it. Yet, another reason to insist they be legal or be sent back.
 
Rob’s Wife said:
So. We should only bother enforcing laws that are easy to obey? We aren’t obligated to follow the law if we feel it’s a personal hardship? It should be hard to come to here. And only certain people should be allowed. This ensures economic stability and general security! If we need drs/nurses, then we open the door a bit wider for immigrants with those abilities than those who do not. We need people of good citizenship and economic growth potential to get first priority, not random masses comming over by dark of night.

So. Rob’s wife…Are you a Native American, as in descendant from Americans. Or where your ancestors immigrants too. Most of who were poor looking for work and a better life.

And you do realize how at one time older inhabitants especially hated Catholics, because of the undercut pay etc…

According to your theory maybe you shouldn’t be here either…Easy to say that to people now, after your family is all settled in.
 
FYI…the Native Americans also immigrated here. 🙂

The rest of your question is moot. We have to make immigration laws which work for us today. Your question is similar to asking a parent who is admonishing her kids not to do drugs whether she did them when she was young. It’s not relevant to whether the action is right or wrong.
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bekalc:
So. Rob’s wife…Are you a Native American, as in descendant from Americans. Or where your ancestors immigrants too. Most of who were poor looking for work and a better life.

And you do realize how at one time older inhabitants especially hated Catholics, because of the undercut pay etc…

According to your theory maybe you shouldn’t be here either…Easy to say that to people now, after your family is all settled in.
 
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rlg94086:
FYI…the Native Americans also immigrated here. 🙂

The rest of your question is moot. We have to make immigration laws which work for us today. Your question is similar to asking a parent who is admonishing her kids not to do drugs whether she did them when she was young. It’s not relevant to whether the action is right or wrong.
Ditto; exactly what I was thinking! 🙂
 
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Kirane:
Well here’s a question for the Catholics here:
Does a Catholic Cardinal or Arcbishop have the right to impose fasting laws under pain of sin in his archdiocese or not?
no
 
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Corki:
Well, I can’t speak for the ones in California but here in Texas it is a different story. **When the protest marches were occuring last week, the big chant was “Mexico, Mexico” not “USA” and most of the demonstators were carrying Mexican flags. In the southwest the consensus seems to be that since this part of the country was once part of Mexico, they should be allowed free access. That has nothing to do with “free migration”. They don’t care about the illegals from Colombia, El Salvador or Russia. **

I don’t claim to know what the answer is but I don’t think that completely free migration is the answer.
The same thing happened here in Orange County, California. I counted so many Mexican Flags (huge flags). Very few American flags. But this did not surprise me. Many neigborhoods with a large Mexican population it is common to see Mexican Flags on houses not American flags. I saw signs which read: F* Bush and others which were equally vulgar. I don’t know about you but I was afraid driving that day. I know of some incidents (not reported in the news) where non Latino people were verbally harrassed, things water bottles thrown at their cars. One incident where a man was driving and people were banging on his car and trying to open the doors. Lucky for the man they didn’t get in. I have friends who live in these areas who were afraid to come home because they are White. **

4,700 O.C. students walk out
Demonstrators organize protests in concert with immigration rallies nationwide.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1074415.php
 
GloriaPatri4 said:
The same thing happened here in Orange County, California. I counted so many Mexican Flags (huge flags). Very few American flags. But this did not surprise me. Many neigborhoods with a large Mexican population it is common to see Mexican Flags on houses not American flags. I saw signs which read: F*** Bush and others which were equally vulgar. I don’t know about you but I was afraid driving that day. I know of some incidents (not reported in the news) where non Latino people were verbally harrassed, things water bottles thrown at their cars. One incident where a man was driving and people were banging on his car and trying to open the doors. Lucky for the man they didn’t get in. I have friends who live in these areas who were afraid to come home because they are White.

4,700 O.C. students walk out
Demonstrators organize protests in concert with immigration rallies nationwide.

[ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1074415.php](http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1074415.php)

It’s a shame they act this way. They only bring bad reputation for Latino or Mexican people… and you wonder why some people don’t sympathize them.
 
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