Fatalism?

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How do you define fatalism?

To me there is only one way to define fatalism: Consider a person who is in a given situation and need to decide between options s/he has available. Let assume that the person make her/his decision. Now suppose that we rewind the time and let the person decide again. We say fatalism is true if the person always make the same decision otherwise s/he is free.

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False - the fact that they can ‘decide again’ rejects fatalism. The fact that they could have chosen differently rejects this notion - whether they ultimately chose to follow the same path or not doesn’t matter.
 
Mumbles140 said:
False - the fact that they can ‘decide again’ rejects fatalism. The fact that they could have chosen differently rejects this notion - whether they ultimately chose to follow the same path or not doesn’t matter.
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What is false? Do you agree that we could make different decision if we rewind time.
 
Bahman said:
What is false? Do you agree that we could make different decision if we rewind time.
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It is false that fatalism is true if the person makes the same decision. The fact that they must make the decision again implies the possibility that they are not bound to the previous fate, which means they are free regardless of whether they take Choice A or Choice B.
 
Mumbles140 said:
It is false that fatalism is true if the person makes the same decision. The fact that they must make the decision again implies the possibility that they are not bound to the previous fate, which means they are free regardless of whether they take Choice A or Choice B.
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So the state of affair is not well-defined from third perspective point, God’s point of view. How God could see what we are going to do?
 
Bahman said:
So the state of affair is not well-defined from third perspective point, God’s point of view. How God could see what we are going to do?
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Assume time is linear. We follow along the course of it, and we can see choices ahead of us, although not always where they go. We can also look back and see choices we’ve made, but not down the paths of the choices we didn’t make. That is because we are confined by time.

God, however, is not confined by time. God sees all and knows all because that is the very nature of God. It is a mystery that we can only describe but not truly understand because our minds are not like God’s mind, and our experience with time is not God’s experience with time.
 
Positing a theoretical - and NOT POSSIBLE - question of what would happen if one goes back in time and has that choice again - is just that - it is asking about an IMPOSSIBLE event -for there is no time machine. And no “rewinding”. One cannot go back and make a different choice.

This is discussing a fictional not possible question. Like asking what would my fish do as a dog.

So really it is best to stick with reality.

There is no such thing as fatalism.

Man has free will.
 
davidv said:
It is God’s nature to know.
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I deduced that situation is ill-defined from third perspective point of view since everything depends on the person who is making the decision. Hence God cannot know.
 
If God does not know something - it does not exist. God knows all of reality. Without God there is no reality.

As simple as that.
 
Mumbles140 said:
Assume time is linear. We follow along the course of it, and we can see choices ahead of us, although not always where they go. We can also look back and see choices we’ve made, but not down the paths of the choices we didn’t make. That is because we are confined by time.

God, however, is not confined by time. God sees all and knows all because that is the very nature of God. It is a mystery that we can only describe but not truly understand because our minds are not like God’s mind, and our experience with time is not God’s experience with time.
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I know all these things. Just lets focus on very topic of choices. Are options are real when you want to perform a decision?
 
Bahman said:
I know all these things. Just lets focus on very topic of choices. Are options are real when you want to perform a decision?
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If I am understanding correctly, you are asking whether the options we make are true options? By that, I presume that you mean whether we really have a say in the decisions we make?
 
davidv said:
How could they be options if they were not real?
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Only one of them real from God point of view though. Hence there is a tension between your point of view and God point of view. Which one is true?
 
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