Father Corapi on moral issues and voting

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I am probably the only one who hadn’t seen this paticular episode of Father Corapi. But last night he was talking about Catholic politicians who support abortions. Of course he didn’t mention my favorite two by name but it’s quite clear those were the top on his list. Of course I am talking about Kerry and Kennedy, the Catholic senators from Massachusetts. I know there are others that fit the description but those are the top on my list anyway.

Father Corapi said as long as abortion is the “law” of the land in this country God is going to take his vengence out on this country. He said eventually it will come down to a nuclear attack in Los Angeles. He said 9/11 was just a wakeup call for what is going to happen next if we don’t stop abortions.

He also said that those people who compare the death penalty to abortion with all due respect are mental midgets. He got lots of cheers for that. He said abortion is intrinsically evil ALL THE TIME. He said there is no justification for killing an INNOCENT baby that is in the one place that should be the safest place in the world for it! In the mothers womb! He said the death penalty may be evil in some cases. He said you can debate whether we need it in today’s society but with abortion there is NO DEBATE! It’s EVIL ALL THE TIME. Abortion kills an innocent!!!

He said that any Catholic politician that publically supports abortion and goes and receives the Blessed Sacarament needs to be rebuked in public. He said if someone sins in private then they can go to private confession. But if someone commits the gravest of all possible sins in public as Catholic politicians who support abortion do they need to confess and be rebuked and public.

He said politicians that support abortion have ex-communicated themselves from the Church and no action by the Bishop is necassary! Again there was lots of clapping for that.

He then said with all due respect to the Bishops, who he said have very tough jobs, but along with the awesome job of being a bishop comes an even more awesome responsibility. The bishops have to start dealing with these Catholic politicians who support abortion.

He said he doesn’t know if he would refuse the Blessed Sacarament to a Catholic Politician who supported abortion. He said he would hope he didn’t recognize them in the line. He said he knows some priests and bishops have refused them Communion and those people are brave and courageous but the point of the matter is this should be dealt with before it gets to the point of being in the Communion line!

Father Corapi said all the Osama Bin Ladens, all the Saddam Husseins, all the Adolf Hitlers, all the Joseph Stalins rolled into one do not pose nearly the amount of danger to this country and to national security as immorality does. He said abortion is on top of the list as well as gay marriage, homosexual sex, and all the rest of the immorality is going to do more damage than any of those dictators. Again there was lots of cheering for that.

He then went through the 9 ways people can commit mortal sin by causing other people to sin. I don’t remember everything but even something as simple as voting for a pro abortion candidate would be approving of abortion. He said as Catholics we have a great gift and get great graces. However, with those gifts and graces come responsibility. He said Priests and Bishpos have an awesome responsibility that scares him a lot.

He told a true story about a 40 year old woman who was told she was pregnant. She was upset about the possibile health complications that could happen with someone her age having a baby. She went to her doctor and her doctor told her that even though it’s not common for someone her age to have a baby it does happen and complications are rare. So she was calmed down by the doctor and was ready to have the baby and then she went to her priest. Her preist told her, “Don’t worry, you can always have an abortion.” Everyone in the audience including me at home groaned over that.

Anyway, it was a very good show and I wish I was able to get it on DVD because it was that good. Until I saw that show last night I considered rape and the mothers health to be the only reason when an abortion should be considered. I would still say that if the mothers life is in danger (and not just depression like the NOW want) If the mother will DIE from the medical complications of a pregnancy that would be the only time when abortion may be appropriate. Even then…that’s only what? Less than 1% of all abortions? With today’s medical advances it’s rare that the mother will die from having the baby. But in that case, I think the mother should be given the choice.
 
I just ordered it!! The particular one I was talking about is called “Wake Up America!” Yes, he is awesome!
 
Too bad that more, in fact, all preaching clergy do not have the same fortitude, i.e., moral clarity and courage, as this gifted preacher of the gospel truth. As Fr. Corapi says about his other charism “I don’t give a fat rat’s …you know what, about what people think of me …It is what it is” from one of his taped talk series “Immortal Battle”.
 
A joy for EWTN Catholics. A disaster for the Catholic Church in general. You cannot ignore all Catholic virtues by voting on one issue only. You must also be able to recognize political manipulation when you see it. Republicans are in it for one thing and one thing only: their own power, wealth and self-agrandizement. Abortion is just a convenient lever they pull at election time to control an entire segment of the population. Priests should stick to the spiritual life of their flock, and it’s high time that the Vatican started reigning in celebrity priests in the U.S. as well as the born again [edited] Catholics on EWTN. Oh and by the way, if we are to believe the New Testament, Jesus had no interest whatsoever in politics, least of all the wealthy who controlled the levers of power.
 
I agree with everything Father Corapi says. He is definitely one of my biggest heroes of our modern age. Just to clarify though, while voting for a pro-abortion candidate can certainly be sinful, it would not be sinful if you are doing so in order to prevent a stronger pro-death candidate from winning. Voting in itself is not a sinful act. The only thing that can make it sinful is a sinful intention. Thus if you intend to support a pro-abortion candidate you are sinning. But if you vote for one as a preventative measure, your intent is to limit evil, and that is a good intent and therefor a good action. A good explanation of this can be found in the Catholic Answers publication “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”.

I think I will try to buy this DVD from Fr. Corapi. It sounds great!

Remember the Unborn, Remember to Vote on Tuesday!!! 👍
 
You cannot ignore all Catholic virtues by voting on one issue only.
starling: Unfortunately what you don’t understand is that the abortion issue (which includes embryonic stem cell research) is part of the foundation of Catholic teaching. I don’t deny that there are many other important issues out there to consider. But when you compare the scale of the issues you find that all others pale in comparison. There is no way you can equate any other issue on the table today to the importance of limiting or banning abortion and ESC research.

Just a quick look at the basic statistics will tell you why. Did you know that nearly 4000 babies die each day in the United States alone due to surgical abortions? This doesn’t even include the thousands more who die due to chemical abortions, hormonal contraception, and ESC research that is already going on with private funding.

There is no other issue that comes close to the death toll I just described. And obviously death is the ultimate uncharitable act we can inflict upon another. Depriving them of food, shelter, dignity, or love would be bad, but not even close to the evil of killing them.

The war in Iraq is a favorite issue of the left this year. How many have died there? 3000? That’s less than the number of babies that will be aborted tomorrow in clinics right here in the US. How can you even consider the war, when such a horrible evil is at work every day right here at home?

I challenge you to present even one issue that comes close.

By the way, your statements about Fr. Corapi and the staff at EWTN being “so called” Catholics is insulting and baseless. Give some examples of how they teach anything contrary to Catholic teaching. It sounds to me like you find yourself supporting views contrary to Catholic teaching and are embarrassed by their virtuous stand for truth. If anyone is a “so called” Catholic, I’m afraid it might be you.
 
Father Corapi is not afraid to tell the truth.

We must stop the new holocaust (abortion) where innocent unborn children are dehumanized and declared “not worthy of human rights”
 
If all the Democratic party’s positions remained the same but they were in favor of slavery would it be right to vote for them? No!

Why is abortion different?

The point is some positions are morally unacceptable period!

Abortion is morally unacceptabole period!

You’ll never get rid of it until you vote that way!

Want to vote Pro-Life Democrat? Fine!

Pro-Death Democrat? No!
 
If all the Democratic party’s positions remained the same but they were in favor of slavery would it be right to vote for them? No!

Why is abortion different?
Because it is politically correct to dehumanize the unborn.

Today, John F. Kennedy, and Franklin D. Roosevelt wouldn’t stand a chance in today’s Democratic party.
 
As far as I can tell, even the Vatican does not say that voters should consider abortion as the only issue. Those of you who are doing so are following private opinion, even if it comes from a celebrity priest. Republicans have controlled congress for the most part since 1994. Anything been done to curb abortion yet? I am not pro-abortion, far from it. However, I am also not pro-war, pro-imperialism, pro-rich and powerful, pro-rape the environment, pro-global warning, pro-oil. Doesn’t your vote for these manipulating politicians only end up doing nothing for abortion and everything the above? Have you not learned your lesson yet? Do you need to be hit over the head with a jackhammer? Issues are simple to the simple-minded. There is no obligation to vote for someone based on manipulation by cynical hypocrites. If you use your God-given reason, you may find it’s you committing the sin, not me or others like me.
 
A joy for EWTN Catholics. A disaster for the Catholic Church in general. You cannot ignore all Catholic virtues by voting on one issue only. You must also be able to recognize political manipulation when you see it. Republicans are in it for one thing and one thing only: their own power, wealth and self-agrandizement. Abortion is just a convenient lever they pull at election time to control an entire segment of the population. Priests should stick to the spiritual life of their flock, and it’s high time that the Vatican started reigning in celebrity priests in the U.S. as well as the born again Bible-belt so-called Catholics on EWTN. Oh and by the way, if we are to believe the New Testament, Jesus had no interest whatsoever in politics, least of all the wealthy who controlled the levers of power.
I won’t assume that you support abortion while at the same time claiming to be Catholic. However, your reply says a lot about you. Either you are one of those that believe religion belongs in Church only OR you hate republicans so much you aren’t thinking clearly. Either way, I’ll pray for you and those like you.
 
Pax vobiscum!

I heard part of this talk on the radio one night on my way to adoration. It has one of my all-time favorite Corapi quotes in it.

“Would I deny them at the Communion rail? I just hope I wouldn’t recognize them!” In that well-known Fr. Corapi voice.

In Christ,
Rand
 
As far as I can tell, even the Vatican does not say that voters should consider abortion as the only issue. Those of you who are doing so are following private opinion, even if it comes from a celebrity priest. Republicans have controlled congress for the most part since 1994. Anything been done to curb abortion yet? I am not pro-abortion, far from it. However, I am also not pro-war, pro-imperialism, pro-rich and powerful, pro-rape the environment, pro-global warning, pro-oil. Doesn’t your vote for these manipulating politicians only end up doing nothing for abortion and everything the above? Have you not learned your lesson yet? Do you need to be hit over the head with a jackhammer? Issues are simple to the simple-minded. There is no obligation to vote for someone based on manipulation by cynical hypocrites. If you use your God-given reason, you may find it’s you committing the sin, not me or others like me.
Sorry, when I replied to your last post I hadn’t read this one yet. It becomes clear now… you are simply one of those that HATES so much you blind yourself to truth. Abortion one of the most important issues (if the the most important) facing society today. I care little about which political party wants abortion and which does not. Whichever one wants it (as long as there is another that opposes it) will NOT get my vote. You want the Democrats in power? Then convience them to oppose abortion and murdering babies. Then and ONLY then will I consider them. Until that time happens, a society can not build itself on a foundation which opposes something so basic as human life. As far as wars, the environment, global warming, etc… sorry, apples and oranges. Lets get the basics down pat first and then we can worry about the environment.
 
I look forward to watching Corapi on weekends almost as much as I look forward to going to Mass. And that is saying a lot! I kinda hate how this is his last year doing rounds over the continent. I would have liked to hear him speak in person, and thank him personally for the tremendous service he is doing the Church.
 
I will have you know…I posted Father Corapi’s message on abortion on a mostly protestant forum and this is the first time they have agreed with a Catholic Priest in such a large number. Abortion is the one thing that brings all Christians together.

Now, if we could make it show in the voting booth.
 
As far as I can tell, even the Vatican does not say that voters should consider abortion as the only issue. Those of you who are doing so are following private opinion, even if it comes from a celebrity priest. Republicans have controlled congress for the most part since 1994. Anything been done to curb abortion yet? I am not pro-abortion, far from it. However, I am also not pro-war, pro-imperialism, pro-rich and powerful, pro-rape the environment, pro-global warning, pro-oil. Doesn’t your vote for these manipulating politicians only end up doing nothing for abortion and everything the above? Have you not learned your lesson yet? Do you need to be hit over the head with a jackhammer? Issues are simple to the simple-minded. There is no obligation to vote for someone based on manipulation by cynical hypocrites.
This is why the Church is often mistakenly perceived as being optional on essential issues [to the faith] when you have self-identified “catholics” spouting out this incorrect understanding of what it means to vote your Catholic conscience.
If you use your God-given reason, you may find it’s you committing the sin, not me or others like me.
You fail to recognize that there is an esential diffeence between an enlightended reason and a darkened reason. The enlightend reasoning can see the errors of the darkened reasoning, where as the darkened reasoning cannot comprehend the enlightened reasoning. This is why faith and conversion are a grace and freely sought and accepted gift from God.

"Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 8: 12

“Jesus said to them, ‘The light is with you for a little longer. Walk while you have the light, lest the darkness overtake you; he who walks in the darkness does not know where he goes. …I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.’” John 12: 25, 46

“Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.” **Romans 12: 2 **
 
You cannot ignore all Catholic virtues by voting on one issue only.
The Church does not ignore other serious issues. But if there is no right to life there **are **no other issues. The taking of innocent life trumps all other issues.
 
Father Corapi is not afraid to tell the truth.

We must stop the new holocaust (abortion) where innocent unborn children are dehumanized and declared “not worthy of human rights”
I heard him on the radio on Friday on this topic. I liked how he called “Catholic Politicians” who vote for abortion while beiing oppposed to it as “schizophrenics”.

He does not mince his words and I like that.
 
I am probably the only one who hadn’t seen this paticular episode of Father Corapi. But last night he was talking about Catholic politicians who support abortions. Of course he didn’t mention my favorite two by name but it’s quite clear those were the top on his list. Of course I am talking about Kerry and Kennedy, the Catholic senators from Massachusetts. I know there are others that fit the description but those are the top on my list anyway.

Father Corapi said as long as abortion is the “law” of the land in this country God is going to take his vengence out on this country. He said eventually it will come down to a nuclear attack in Los Angeles. He said 9/11 was just a wakeup call for what is going to happen next if we don’t stop abortions.

He also said that those people who compare the death penalty to abortion with all due respect are mental midgets. He got lots of cheers for that. He said abortion is intrinsically evil ALL THE TIME. He said there is no justification for killing an INNOCENT baby that is in the one place that should be the safest place in the world for it! In the mothers womb! He said the death penalty may be evil in some cases. He said you can debate whether we need it in today’s society but with abortion there is NO DEBATE! It’s EVIL ALL THE TIME. Abortion kills an innocent!!!

He said that any Catholic politician that publically supports abortion and goes and receives the Blessed Sacarament needs to be rebuked in public. He said if someone sins in private then they can go to private confession. But if someone commits the gravest of all possible sins in public as Catholic politicians who support abortion do they need to confess and be rebuked and public.

He said politicians that support abortion have ex-communicated themselves from the Church and no action by the Bishop is necassary! Again there was lots of clapping for that.

He then said with all due respect to the Bishops, who he said have very tough jobs, but along with the awesome job of being a bishop comes an even more awesome responsibility. The bishops have to start dealing with these Catholic politicians who support abortion.

He said he doesn’t know if he would refuse the Blessed Sacarament to a Catholic Politician who supported abortion. He said he would hope he didn’t recognize them in the line. He said he knows some priests and bishops have refused them Communion and those people are brave and courageous but the point of the matter is this should be dealt with before it gets to the point of being in the Communion line!

Father Corapi said all the Osama Bin Ladens, all the Saddam Husseins, all the Adolf Hitlers, all the Joseph Stalins rolled into one do not pose nearly the amount of danger to this country and to national security as immorality does. He said abortion is on top of the list as well as gay marriage, homosexual sex, and all the rest of the immorality is going to do more damage than any of those dictators. Again there was lots of cheering for that.

I*** saw that episode and what you said is accurate. However, I’m not so sure he said that God would inflict the punishment (such as a nuclear attack on LA) but that God would allow it to happen (as opposed to intervening to stop it) - this is a real possibility given the terrorists desire to hurt us. Also, it’s my understanding that you can do a medical procedure to save the life of a mother as long as the killing of the baby wasn’t the intention (the procedure which would save the mother had the unfortunate effect of aborting the baby - principle of double effect). Otherwise, abortion is not justified anytime. I cheered everytime he said mentioned so-called Catholic politicians and yes, I think he was primarily referring to my Senators in Massachusetts when he stated those things - Kerry and Kennedy are shameful and I wish we could throw them out of office but my state is very liberal and “progressive” despite the high percentage of Catholics.***
 
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