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Katie1723
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What are you afraid of?
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Father, lesbian daughter prohibited from speaking at Catholic church
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Hellisreal
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I am sure he has a very blurry understanding of what proper love is.
Since when was the last time your father said to you lets go tell everyone who will listen to us about your stuggles with (fill in the blank) sin that you have no intention of rectifying? In fact, maybe people wont think its a sin anymore if we talk about how its been so hard on you to overcome this sin, that you decided you were not going to even try anymore.
How you caved into it. Then lets tell this to the people who are fighting sins in their lives, and have a firm purpose of commitment to not sin again.
Heck with all these rules! They are suffocating us. All the leagalism. Bah!
Am I my daughters keeper? Heck no! I am her booking agent to advertise her unrepentant sinning.
That ought to change their minds about trying so hard to please that mean old Church Jesus set up that made this so hard for us.
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Brillant
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I’m sorry Kathy, but you refuse to get it, that’s exactly what everyone has been saying. Your forgetting what the main question was all about. I can only suggest to review the memo I wrote earlier and what others have as well. I sent a couple of rather lengthy messages to you and to another.
If you take the time to read replies and/or messages posted you’ll find the answer and if not dig further.
This mans daughter… is loved, not only by her father but other Christians / Catholics like me and I’m sure the others but most importantly, Jesus.
I commend her father for embracing her publicly. That is what Jesus is doing. The difference is Jesus is not embracing the “act” (this woman and other gay men and women Kathy, have a free will, she can continue to turn her back on the teachings of the Almighty Father and Jesus Himself an continue her lifestyle with another woman, that’s her “free will” or stop the relationship with the other woman and continue living as a lesbian (if she feels she doens’t have any other alternative) however practicing celibacy)…Isn’t she living with another woman?
It appears you are despartely trying to get someone to agree with you, the only one that will agree would be another that doesn’t understand the way of the Lord. It is a sin my dear, to have sexual relations outside of marriage… and is a sin for a man to be with a man and a woman to be with a woman.
I have a feeling you know this but are looking for excuses to get people to continue to say over and over the same thing. So I did once again for you, but this is the last time, because Kathy it may be time for you to do some research on your own and this is how you can do it.
Why don’t you go directly to the Lord in prayer and ask HIM to show you the answer? He will. Keep your ears open and listen for Him to whisper… More so I suggest to test the spirit… we are warned to test spirits in scripture.
I have a suggestion, why don’t you become pro-active. I challenge you to get a concordance (try Stong’s Concordance) — you may be able to find this online if you don’t have money to buy it so that you can research…along with this get a Bible, because it will direct you to scripture verses. A concordance is something like a Thesauras… look up homosexual, marriage, sex, immorality/ immoral… etc… find out for yourself what the Living Word of God says…and while your at it, look up “God”.
Keep digging… the answer is just around the corner.
God Bless you sweetie,
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estesbob
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Giving the impression the Church is validating her behavior. Should we let a publicly acknowledged unrepentant ongoing adultress speak at the Church ? How about a man who is openly commiting incest with his siter?
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Katie1723
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The last time I spoke to my father was on his death bed when I told him it was ok to “go”…
I am not saying that what this man wants to do is “correct”. Or what is daughter does is “proper”. I just see a whole lot of judgemental people…or maybe they are just a bit afraid of going against the grain. I don’t know.
Kathy
I am not saying that what this man wants to do is “correct”. Or what is daughter does is “proper”. I just see a whole lot of judgemental people…or maybe they are just a bit afraid of going against the grain. I don’t know.
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Brendan
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That she might promote her sin and give the impression to faithful Catholics that what she and her ‘partner’ experience it is somehow real love, instead of a pale imitation.
I would much rather that real love be demonstrated in a Catholic Church than lust masquerading as love.
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Hellisreal
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Are you saying this medium is the only outlet for this father and daughter to have a relationship together?
What?
Who said that the father and daughter cant have a relationship with each other?
Why cant members of the Church be concerned about what happens in the Church?
Since when has Church become a talk show?
What?
Who said that the father and daughter cant have a relationship with each other?
Why cant members of the Church be concerned about what happens in the Church?
Since when has Church become a talk show?
The last time I spoke to my father was on his death bed when I told him it was ok to “go”…
I am not saying that what this man wants to do is “correct”. Or what is daughter does is “proper”. I just see a whole lot of judgemental people…or maybe they are just a bit afraid of going against the grain. I don’t know.
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Brendan
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Yes, you hit the correct Catholic maxum, Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin.
The question is, does the Father HATE the sin? Does he hate the act his daughter performs with her ‘partner’?
If not, why not?
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estesbob
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I suspect the problem is she doesnt see that a sin is being commited.
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Katie1723
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dessert
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We had a daughter of a lady speak at my mothers church hall not the church, she spoke of being a muslim. It couldn’t be in the church but the idea was to go up to her after her talk and encourage her to come back to the Faith. We listened patiently but all knew what we were really praying for. I think it was a good witness but I don’t know if she ever came back.
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Brillant
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Life can be hard… but if we trust Jesus He will give us the strength to pull through anything.
God Bless You,
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Teen4Christ
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YAY! no freedom of speech!
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Bella3502
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These types of rants only serve to publicize what the rest of the world really believes. I am going to buy the book too. The sexual issues of the Catholic Church are so deep in hypocracy, and they are so afraid that their “secrets” are going to come out.
I have always thought that one must be a bit gay to enter the seminary or convent. It is such a great cover when the opposite sex does not interest you. Men and women appear noble in their choice to live without the opposite sex and serve God. But in reality it is a cover up of sorts. The Catholic Church’s crusade against gay people is just for appearances.
I’m not saying that all priests and nuns are gay. But I would be willing to bet that the percentage is pretty high.
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Dale_M
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“Crusade against gay people”? I think a better phrase would be “non-acceptance of gayness”. If you want to see a real crusade against gay people, I suggest you visit NARTH or those ex-gay ministries which are supported by some Evangelicals. The Catholic Church, while not exactly cozy with homosexuality, isn’t persecuting homosexuals.
You may be right. My guess, however, is that this might have been true pre-1970. After the advent of gay liberation it has become increasingly acceptable to be identified as homosexual. This means less reason to mask homosexuality with a celibate profession.
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LRThunder
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Freedom of speech only applies to the government. Nobody is stopping them from speaking elsewhere, just not in a Catholic parish.
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estesbob
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You’re showing the usual misunderstanding of freedom of speech. I have freedom of speech but that doesn’t mean the New York Times must print any letter I sent them nor I’m allowed to speak in any venue I want. Freedom of speech refers only to government prohibition of it, Private citizens or organizations are free to allow or prohibit any speech they want.
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estesbob
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If we trust in God life is never hard -just trying at times
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estesbob
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I always thought that people who believed that people who entered the convent or the priesthood were homosexuals were probably homosexuals themselves. I’m not saying all in all this to our homosexuals, but I would be willing to bet that the percentage is pretty high.
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Brillant
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Bella,
You couldn’t be further from the truth, I myself am considering entering holy orders and by all means I am far from being gay. I own a comfortable home, drive a very nice car. Like to entertain. Like to wear fine clothes… none of it means anything. Do you know why I am considering? It’s because I love the Lord so much with my whole heart and soul that I want to dedicate my life serving HIM. By entering Holy Orders you take a vow of poverty so that you are free to serve.
This dialogue you are witnessing with everyone is causing the non believers to DISTORT the messages that penetrates your brain and that is exactly how the evil one works.
Believe it or not there was a time in my life, especially in my 20’s when I thought I knew it all. No one could tell me anything, I had it all figured out. I had it figured out alright, when I fell flat on my face. By the time I was ready turn around I wasn’t even sure whether the Lord could find it in His heart to forgive me.
So many people talk about Jesus being your friend and He is but they forget to pass on the message that His father, The Almighty God is powerful & the Creator of heaven & earth. We are to fear God as well as love him. But I ask, do you know what you are to fear? I’ll tell you… it is to fear the consequences of eternal life. That is why you have a free will. Everyday, we exercise our “free will”. Every day we make choices about our character.
Of couse you can take your chances after all, no one is stopping you, however one needs to remember the church is a community united as 1. It is a sensored place & should be sensored and treated with respect. Should you ever decide to open the Word of God it will clearly describe character… and what to do when one falls… It’s easy to say hypocrite… sure you may find a few going to church, maybe alot that’s because they are still searching… or afraid not to go .
Faith is action, it requires application. It is a daily walk. And some days it is incredibly hard.
Until you and many others figure that out you’ll continue to do your own thing without accountability… so go ahead, exercise your free will, but don’t expect the holy place of God which is in the church to advocate what the evil one is causing you to do or think in accordance 2 his way, instead the Church is God’s way… that is where we come to worship and glorify the Lord as well as be taught and receive guidance.
The Lord I worship is not a Lord to harm or hurt or confuse anyone however the key is to find HIM -(if you seek the truth, the truth will set you free).
Please recognize… you didn’t come to this site by coincidence ( I hope Kathy reads this message too) … you were directed by a power stronger than you.
Don’t forget to pick up the “Strongs Concordance” and a “Bible” - try a good teaching Bible, I suggest the King James Version while you pick up the other.
and remember…
Society has distorted truth so darn much that many have fallen into a dark abyss (here is an example, (sounds extreme but is it really… just walk through malls what do you see and then, look at the kids) Example: Brittany Spears, she sold her soul - poor thing I pray for her often… can you see the consequences of sin…sin takes you no where but down - see how she is struggling? One thing after another. Do you know why she is struggling? Ever so slowly she sold her soul - all for money and fame…No one can help her… she has to do it on her own. Just like she made the decision to place herself in the position where she is today so is it she will need to make a decison to change and with the help of the Lord she can change because it starts with purifying the heart… no one can force her, you, me or anyone -… everyone is on a personal journey in life… each of us have to figure it out… some will, many won’t. What side of the fence do you want to be on?..
With that: be careful. You just may be following the wolf in sheep clothing.
God Bless you sweetheart and may HE never let go of your rope.
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