Father Michael Pfleger

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You are comparing gun shop owners with pro abortion politicians? That is very absurd.
My comments were directed as to the irony of support and critique over tactics.

I am speaking only to the actions of a priest in calling out people who he believes are harming the community, in whatever way. Many decry that priests are not harsh enough when it comes to pro-abortion politicians. They would, essentially, like their pastors to employ the kind of tough talk which Fr. Pfleger has done here.

Plainly, if Fr. Pfleger’s comments were those of some pastor or bishop aimed against an abortionist, rather than a gun shop owner, they would be roundly applauded on this message board. It is only because of who Fr. Pfleger is and what he is speaking against (something which is supported by many on the board) that he is so heartily condemned here. He’s an easy target to take shots at.
He’s disobedient and needs to be stopped.
That’s a distinct argument from what is happenning here and the two ought not be comingled as many are quick to do.
 
Chuck’s Gun shop is NOT in Chicago, but it does sell guns to Chicago POLICE OFFICERS. The guns Chuck’s sells are LEGAL guns. Further, in Illinois if you want a gun you must get a pre-background check and a Firearms Owners Identification Card BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN PICK UP A GUN in a gun store, let alone buy one. Further, after you go through the background check and buy your F.O.I.D. card (a 30 day process) then you go to the gun store, choose a gun, pay for it, and then you WAIT again. If you are a Chicago resident you cannot buy a HANDgun and bring it into the city, but you are allowed to buy shotguns and hunting rifles. Illinois has VERY STRICT gun laws, some of the strictest in the nation. Chuck’s gun shop has NOT even been accused of violating any Federal, State, County or City laws and to presume that they are immoral based on a MIS-understanding of the laws is absurd :eek:

If there is any selling of guns off the backs of trucks, it is not coming from a gun store that caters to law enforcement officers!!! But it is true that Fr Pfleger can IMPLY anything he wants in his rants. Doesn’t make any of it true. In fact he repeats LIES on a regular basis.
Alright, so this seems to be a more serious argument than most of the other griping I’ve read here. How, then, did “Chuck” get entangled in this matter and why are Fr. Pfleger’s comments directed at him, specifically? What incited it all?
 
If Fr. Pfleger is stupid enough to think that law abiding guns stores should be closed down and that law abiding citizens should be able to own them then he’s probably stupid enough not to know that “snuff” means kill. I’m sure he probably meant snuff as in put out -of business that is.

Look, we’re pro-gun people here (very I might add) and it would be stupid to prosecute him on the word “snuff”. Now if they wanted to get him for slander on the selling guns out of the back of a truck, they’d have a case.
 
Whereabout, in relation to St. Sabina, is Chuck’s Gun Shop located? Why is this particular one the target?
 
Whereabout, in relation to St. Sabina, is Chuck’s Gun Shop located? Why is this particular one the target?
According to Google Maps, it is about 12 miles away. That is quite a distance from an inner-city parish.
 
It seems to me, then, like this is all showmanship and rhetoric designed to make a statement and garner attention. The media circus it has turned into (complete with us discussing it) has produced a wondefully desirous effect for all parties involved. Ya gotta love it! The world is a stage…
 
Plainly, if Fr. Pfleger’s comments were those of some pastor or bishop aimed against an abortionist, rather than a gun shop owner, they would be roundly applauded on this message board. It is only because of who Fr. Pfleger is and what he is speaking against (something which is supported by many on the board) that he is so heartily condemned here. He’s an easy target to take shots at.
If Father Pfleger threatened to snuff out some pro abortion politician or abortionist then I would still do the same and perhaps then the authorities would do something to get off their lazy no good keyster ***.
 
If Father Pfleger threatened to snuff out some pro abortion politician or abortionist then I would still do the same and perhaps then the authorities would do something to get off their lazy no good keyster ***.
This is just how Mike talks. It’s simple rhetoric which I think is being blown out of proportion by outsiders who don’t understand how he is. Far too much is being made out of the words “snuff out”.

Like I said in a previous post, this has been remarkably good press for all sides. The gun shop owner gets his name and shop known nationally, Fr. Pfleger excites his crowd and gets attention while promoting his agenda. We’re all talking - there’s a buzz about. What isn’t good about it from their standpoints? P.T. Barnum would LOVE this!
 
Alright, so this seems to be a more serious argument than most of the other griping I’ve read here. How, then, did “Chuck” get entangled in this matter and why are Fr. Pfleger’s comments directed at him, specifically? What incited it all?
Darn good question. Nobody but Fr Pfleger seems to know. Chuck’s Gun Shop just happens to be in Riverdale near where the march started. It is very likely that it was a target of convenience and all the charges levied against it by Fr Pfleger are simply lies because they would make good TV “sound bites” to garner publicity.

What really seems to have happened, however is not good publicity for Fr Pfleger. While the gun store got some free press, Fr Pfleger seems to be catching all sorts of grief as this latest stupid stunt brought to light many prior lies, arrests and indescretions he has made. So it appears that the issue is bigger than just the “snuff out” comment, it now, rightfully quesitons his suitability as a Catholic priest. Will he survive this? Yes. Clearly he will. But there is no question that more and more people are getting fed up with him as a representative of the Catholic faith.
 
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Plainly, if Fr. Pfleger's comments were those of some pastor or bishop aimed against an abortionist, rather than a gun shop owner, they would be roundly applauded on this message board.  It is only because of who Fr. Pfleger is and what he is speaking against (something which is supported by many on the board) that he is so heartily condemned here.  He's an easy target to take shots at.



That's a distinct argument from what is happenning here and the two ought not be comingled as many are quick to do.
Show me one post on any thread in CAF that calls for ‘snuffing out’ an abortionist. If you can’t then you owe us an apology. There are lots of people and things I don’t like, Pfleger being one of them, but I would never call for them to be killed.
 
Alright, so this seems to be a more serious argument than most of the other griping I’ve read here. How, then, did “Chuck” get entangled in this matter and why are Fr. Pfleger’s comments directed at him, specifically? What incited it all?
Quick access outside the City:
http://maps.yahoo.com/#gid2=1746279...vt=m&trf=0&lon=-87.635536&lat=41.692912&mag=7

And before you ask, no, Chuck’s AND Riverdale are NOT geographically in St. Sabina parish. It would be in Queen of the Apostles of Riverdale, or Seven Holy Founders for a Chicago location.

As to the real why: Read the other posts. Read the St. Sabina website in-depth. IN MY OPINION, it hasn’t much to do with saving the poor, beknighted people of the St. Sabina area from themselves.
Show me one post on any thread in CAF that calls for ‘snuffing out’ an abortionist. If you can’t then you owe us an apology. There are lots of people and things I don’t like, Pfleger being one of them, but I would never call for them to be killed.
You are correct!:amen:
 
Our last Fr. Pfleger thread was locked. I guess I am not too sure what I can say. I think he should be help accountable for what he says, just like any other citizen would be.
 
STATEMENT OF THE ARCHDIOCESE OF CHICAGO
REGARDING REMARKS MADE BY FR. MICHAEL PFLEGER
June 4, 2007

On Saturday, May 26, 2007, during an anti-gun rally at a Riverdale gun shop, Fr. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina parish, reportedly made aggressive and inappropriate statements threatening the store’s owner.
If the comments reported are accurate, and a threat was made, it is up to the civil authorities to investigate the matter and determine what if any action should be taken against Fr. Pfleger.
Francis Cardinal George, O.M.I., Archbishop of Chicago, stated, “publicly delivering a threat against anyone’s life betrays the civil order and is morally outrageous, especially if this threat came from a priest.** It is first of all up to the civil authorities to determine what threat might have been contained in the remarks attributed to Fr. Michael Pfleger.** With that determination, the sponsors of the anti-gun rally and the Archdiocese can better decide how to respond.”
Riverdale police called the rally “peaceful” and said no investigation was warranted.
 
STATEMENT OF THE ARCHDIOCESE OF CHICAGO
REGARDING REMARKS MADE BY FR. MICHAEL PFLEGER
June 4, 2007

On Saturday, May 26, 2007, during an anti-gun rally at a Riverdale gun shop, Fr. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina parish, reportedly made aggressive and inappropriate statements threatening the store’s owner.
If the comments reported are accurate, and a threat was made, it is up to the civil authorities to investigate the matter and determine what if any action should be taken against Fr. Pfleger.
Francis Cardinal George, O.M.I., Archbishop of Chicago, stated, “publicly delivering a threat against anyone’s life betrays the civil order and is morally outrageous, especially if this threat came from a priest.** It is first of all up to the civil authorities to determine what threat might have been contained in the remarks attributed to Fr. Michael Pfleger.** With that determination, the sponsors of the anti-gun rally and the Archdiocese can better decide how to respond.”
Unless there is an absolute outpouring of demand that Father Pfleger be charged the Riverdale Police won’t do it. The reason why I say that is that there is the fear that it could cause civil unrest. Furthermore, I would also speculate that is the same reason why Cardinal George will not deal with Father Pfleger as well.
 
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Arguments for or against his arrest will commence now. It is my understanding that when one threatens murder that can be a criminal offense and may include jail time.

Should he be arrested and/or go to jail?

It must be said that Father Pfleger is lying when he says that he didn’t know that “snuff” meant murder as any man who can complete seminary training knows basic English.
Main Entry: 4snuff
Function: verb
Etymology: akin to Dutch snuffen to sniff, snuff – more at SNIVEL
transitive verb
1 : to draw forcibly through or into the nostrils
2 : SCENT, SMELL
3 : to sniff at in order to examine –
intransitive verb
1 : to inhale through the nose noisily and forcibly; also : to sniff or smell inquiringly
2 obsolete : to sniff loudly in or as if in disgust
3 : to take snuff

Now granted this word “snuff” has SIX different meanings. I was at the rally at the gunshop…so was the Mayor of Riverdale…so was the police Chief…so were all of the major news stations…so were 300 people. You may not like Pfleger,but he ain’t STUPID!:rolleyes: !! The purpose of the march was to protest the fact that a bunch of guns involved in murders in Chicago have been traced back to this shop.What sense does it make to call for the murder of someone at a rally protesting murder!!? DUH!!! …WITH THE PRESS,MAYOR,AND CHIEF OF POLICE THERE!!! Are YOU that slow!!? How many people do you know that would make an announcement BEFORE they murder someone!!? C’mon…:doh2: .that’s NOT rocket science!! “Hey I’m getting ready to rob this bank.Make sure the press knows about it before hand…” DUH!!.. Ask the people in the neighborhood where Pfleger lives how THEY feel about him.Have you even been there,or is it too dangerous “over there”? See as long as the problem isn’t in my livingroom then it’s not my problem.

The more I hear “CHURCH” people,the more I’m convinced that if Christ came back today the CHURCH people would kill him again because “HE doesn’t fit the mold of a savior…” “He doesn’t follow the rules…” …yeah neither did Martin Luther, OR Martin Luther King. If the desenters followed the rules in England ther would be no U.S.A.!! Jesus didn’t “Follow the rules”!! That’s what got him killed the first time!!! …and the CHURCH PEOPLE (synagogue) were the ones who did it!!

THIRTY KIDS have been killed THIS SUMMER,and it’s not even JULY!!!..not that’s your concern. Now if you’re a person of reason then what I’m saying will make sense,but if not then nothing ANYONE says will make a difference.So the issue isn’t what Pfleger said,but the fact that you didn’t care for him before he said ANYTHING! …That’s personal,and has nothing to do with what he said,or ment. What goes around comes around. The next time you want understanding and don’t get it…figure it out. Another thing,from the standpoint of the people who live in what YOU call the ghetto,this isn’t a political issue…it’s these peoples’ kids issue!! LIVES!! Now if the politicians get involved then so be it,but to he people that REALLY have to face this situation…politics has nothing to do with it!! That’s for the people watching it on TV. Those poor negros. Pfleger isn’t in jail because you can’t go to jail for something the NRA “interprets” as a threat. It’s illegal to walk up to a man and shoot him,but you CAN assainate him by word of mouth and not feel bad about it… Sad. It’s really sad that we’ve come to the time when kids getting killed,of ANY race,is almost common place.,and the “salt” of the earth is apathetic to it.:tsktsk: and the fuss is between guns and the preservation of a kids safety.
 
Unless there is an absolute outpouring of demand that Father Pfleger be charged the Riverdale Police won’t do it. The reason why I say that is that there is the fear that it could cause civil unrest. Furthermore, I would also speculate that is the same reason why Cardinal George will not deal with Father Pfleger as well.
Why should we as Catholics allow ourselves to be lead around by the nose by the media and the gun lobby?

This is purely political in nature.

Why don’t we allow the Catholics in the Archdiocese of Chicago, thier Bishop, the local police take care of this matter?

Though, I do not oppose private gun ownership, the people in the Chicago area have the right to demand safety for thier children and deal with the problem the way they see fit, without outside and foreign influence. That is why we had a revolution, that the affected people would have a say in thier own local politcal situation and laws.
 
Darn good question. Nobody but Fr Pfleger seems to know. Chuck’s Gun Shop just happens to be in Riverdale near where the march started. It is very likely that it was a target of convenience and all the charges levied against it by Fr Pfleger are simply lies because they would make good TV “sound bites” to garner publicity.

What really seems to have happened, however is not good publicity for Fr Pfleger. While the gun store got some free press, Fr Pfleger seems to be catching all sorts of grief as this latest stupid stunt brought to light many prior lies, arrests and indescretions he has made. So it appears that the issue is bigger than just the “snuff out” comment, it now, rightfully quesitons his suitability as a Catholic priest. Will he survive this? Yes. Clearly he will. But there is no question that more and more people are getting fed up with him as a representative of the Catholic faith.
Call everybody’s favorite negro,Jesse Jackson!!! He and his Operation PUSH co-sponsored the rally at the gunshop.
 
so, i take it that some guns that were used to kill children were traced back to chuck’s gun shop?

were these guns legally obtained? did chuck follow all the laws about selling guns?

i am still confused about selling out of the back of a truck. did the owners of chuck’s gun shop ever do this?

i feel like i am not getting the entire story here, so i am confused how to answer the poll.:confused:
 
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