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[guanophore]

Indeed a father is to serve.

Did the priest i spoke of truly consecrate his whole lives to God, body, soul, and spirit.
Evidently not.

I dont deny he may not have aspired to, but what he did is inconsistent with “consecrate his whole lives to God, body, soul, and spirit”

God does not do as he did.

You are right, there are some who are consecrated to God who then betray Him, and themselves by doing evil. Judas was such a one, chosen by God, yet betrayed Him.

All of us, at times, fail to live up to our consecration to God. this does not mean the consecration itself is wrong.

The example you offer fits the title of father but this priests actions are not of what you posted.

I guess the best thing i can take from this thread is that the title of father for a priest is just worldly and not of one to give indication of spiritual guidance or Christlike example.

 

[planten]

** I cannot understand why the priests are necessary. If at all there are to be some priests then why they cannot be called brothers? They are unmarried too. And in the light of the guidance from Jesus, it would be very well not call any such person as father. There is no need.

Already there are so many unreal relations in christianity that the matters are confused. Why to add on all that with words like “father” and “mother”. All of those being unmarried cause confusion in real world. They could be easily called “Brohers” and “Sisters”. Brothers and Sisters can be married or unmarried.

But there cannot be any unmarried father or unmaried mother. Even Mary, the mother, was married**.

 

[Centos]

** I cannot understand why the priests are necessary. If at all there are to be some priests then why they cannot be called brothers? They are unmarried too. And in the light of the guidance from Jesus, it would be very well not call any such person as father. There is no need.

Already there are so many unreal relations in christianity that the matters are confused. Why to add on all that with words like “father” and “mother”. All of those being unmarried cause confusion in real world. They could be easily called “Brohers” and “Sisters”. Brothers and Sisters can be married or unmarried.

But there cannot be any unmarried father or unmaried mother. Even Mary, the mother, was married**.

I see you completely ignored the points I made on this subject – when I quoted many verses from the King James Bible specifically for you.

None of this is confusing to Catholics – and I tend to believe that it’s really not that confusing to you. You choose to be purposely obtuse because you’re not really debating with good will – you’re merely trying to “stir the pot.”

And quite bluntly, what you think “should be,” has nothing to do with what God thought should be – and no bonus points for guessing Whom I’ll stand with in this debate.

May God be with you

 

[kalt]

Your post is great and makes much sense, i take it and love it much.

Indeed a father is to serve.

Did the priest i spoke of truly consecrate his whole lives to God, body, soul, and spirit.
Evidently not.

I dont deny he may not have aspired to, but what he did is inconsistent with “consecrate his whole lives to God, body, soul, and spirit”

God does not do as he did.

The example you offer fits the title of father but this priests actions are not of what you posted.

I guess the best thing i can take from this thread is that the title of father for a priest is just worldly and not of one to give indication of spiritual guidance or Christlike example.

Again, I have to say that you don’t understand the priesthood.

No one is saying that a priest any perfect, or that that particular priest wasn’t a horrible person.

It’s not that God doesn’t do as he did, it’s that he didn’t do as God did. You have the cart before the horse.

We are all members of Christ. We are baptized and that baptism is forever. Some men are ordained, and that ordination is forever.

No matter what horrible thing we do, the baptism and the ordination are forever.

A priest can be stripped of his duties, but he is still ordained.

You don’t seem to understand that in Catholicism sacraments are more than mere symbols.

This is why I wonder why you got to a Catholic Church. You neither understand nor accept the priesthood.

 

[kalt]

For Steven John

forefather
One entry found.

Main Entry: fore·fa·ther
Pronunciation: -ˌfä-thər\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : ancestor 1a
2 : a person of an earlier period and common heritage

Your use of forefather to describe priests is inaccurate.

You seem to need to believe that a priest comes before others in time.

This is silly. If you live long enough, priest will be of a younger generation.

Quite a few people are living into their 90’s now. New priests are young enough to be their great-grandsons. Yet they are still their legitimate priests.

If this isn’t the defintion of forefathers you are using, please explain what you mean by forefather.

 

[kalt]

** I cannot understand why the priests are necessary. If at all there are to be some priests then why they cannot be called brothers? They are unmarried too. And in the light of the guidance from Jesus, it would be very well not call any such person as father. There is no need.

Already there are so many unreal relations in christianity that the matters are confused. Why to add on all that with words like “father” and “mother”. All of those being unmarried cause confusion in real world. They could be easily called “Brohers” and “Sisters”. Brothers and Sisters can be married or unmarried.

But there cannot be any unmarried father or unmaried mother. Even Mary, the mother, was married**.

Being unmarried causes confusion? I think you are easily confused.

Sisters (nuns) are not married.

 

[planten]

I see you completely ignored the points I made on this subject – when I quoted many verses from the King James Bible specifically for you.

None of this is confusing to Catholics – and I tend to believe that it’s really not that confusing to you. You choose to be purposely obtuse because you’re not really debating with good will – you’re merely trying to “stir the pot.”

And quite bluntly, what you think “should be,” has nothing to do with what God thought should be – and no bonus points for guessing Whom I’ll stand with in this debate.

May God be with you

**Centos, youhave been kind in explaining things. May be I missed the points or did not read your post with care. But I have my own problems. I am not joking or trying to disturb you intentionally. I honestly see that you people are not realistic. You have terms which are not real. The terminology that the world is using is different to what you are using. yet you accuse me of shaking / stirring the pot.

I do not see any unmarried mothers in the world (except as there are many illegal sinners now available every where). We normally do not expect any un-married father. Do you understand me please. So who is making things complicated (un-real).

If you use too many unreal terms (relations) then it becomes difficult to understand your system and difficult to discuss with you. You will be taking all sorts of liberty and no use discussing properly.

May be I am wrong and I have to understand your point of view. You may present it again.But before that,please tell me, have you understood my point of view.? thanks.**

 

[kalt]

**Centos, youhave been kind in explaining things. May be I missed the points or did not read your post with care. But I have my own problems. I am not joking or trying to disturb you intentionally. I honestly see that you people are not realistic. You have terms which are not real. The terminology that the world is using is different to what you are using. yet you accuse me of shaking / stirring the pot.

Our terms are real. You just don’t understand them. And you refuse to learn what the terms mean.

None of these terms are confusing once you know what they mean. If you continue to refuse to learn, you will always be confused. That is your own fault. There is no fault in Catholic terminology. The fault is in your refusal to learn. **

I do not see any unmarried mothers in the world (except as there are many illegal sinners now available every where). We normally do not expect any un-married father. Do you understand me please. So who is making things complicated (un-real).

Respecting that English may not be your first language, I find it very funny that someone uses the term “illegal sinners”, which has no clear meaning in English, would complain that the word, father, is confusing.

If you use too many unreal terms (relations) then it becomes difficult to understand your system and difficult to discuss with you. You will be taking all sorts of liberty and no use discussing properly.

Well, you are the one discussing our religion. If you want to understand it, you will have to learn what the terms mean and stop insistiing that they mean what you wrongly think they mean. You will have to stop insisting that we have to change our religion because you are confused.

If you are truly confused, study more.

May be I am wrong and I have to understand your point of view. You may present it again.But before that,please tell me, have you understood my point of view.? thanks.

Yes, we understand your point of view.

You insist that we’re not supposed to call anyone father. You say that calling an unmarried man father is confusing.

You don’t understand the terminology, so you insist that we change what we believe so you can understand it.

You play dumb and try to make us change what we believe so it makes it easier for you to talk about it.

You’re not going to get any converts this way. You are just making yourself look like a thick head.

 

[Steven_John]

You don’t seem to understand that in Catholicism sacraments are more than mere symbols

God bless you,
i dont seem to communicate to you what is in my heart its not about the sacrament, it is not about the office but it is about the title of father given to the office Jesus (pbwh) gave and said they were brothers and the implication of the title.

As stated by a poster priests don’t insist on the title so in that light the title of father you give is personal, that’s good enough for me. If God guides you to call priests father Amen to that.