Fatima 3rd Secret

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jackson3997 said:
Point taken…
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Ignorance is not stupidity. Take solace in considering that all of us are ignorant of almost everything. Our real knowledge is but a drop in the bucket. I think the internet has expanded my own appreciation for how little I know. Fr. Gruber is not the only one out there opposing the Catholic Church as a Catholic. I think maybe it gets my dander up when I see one of them snagging some unsuspecting guy through their sense of devotion.

Personally, my new spirituality for this Year of Faith is Bl. John Paul II. I guess I can’t go wrong with the man who was my spiritual father for most of my Catholic life. In any case, if you hadn’t brought this up, someone else would have. Stick around and see if it doesn’t keep popping up two or three times a year.
 
Thanks pnewton and edward henry. I grew up Catholic in the 1980’s, and after my parents divorced I left the church for a while ( in any meaningful sense that is…I would still keep the pew warm on occasion when I felt like it ) so a lot of the stuff I am learning for the very 1st time since returning 8 months ago. Certainly not my first case of gross ignorance, will try hard to make it my last. I sincerely appreciate the kind words…
 
jackson3997 said:
Thanks pnewton and edward henry. I grew up Catholic in the 1980’s, and after my parents divorced I left the church for a while ( in any meaningful sense that is…I would still keep the pew warm on occasion when I felt like it ) so a lot of the stuff I am learning for the very 1st time since returning 8 months ago. Certainly not my first case of gross ignorance, will try hard to make it my last. I sincerely appreciate the kind words…
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Oh school is “never” out here. We just take breaks. Anyway welcome to CAF and back to where you knew you were suppose to be. 🙂
 
TiggerS said:
One reason I can think of re apparitions that are not approved. Perhaps Satan is inciting to rebellion against The Church - which instructs us to steer clear of apparitions that do not have approval. We set ourselves as the superior judge and over and above The Church and probably sooner or later not only as superior judge over The Church in other matters too besides unapproved apparitions.
Satan is not beyond using seeming goods with pure evil intent.
The moment I hold and advocate that The Church is wrong in one matter, then I open Church teaching to be wrong in other matters.
Apparent goods are not necessarily a good at all “man judges appearances, but The Lord knows the heart”. An apparent good can have an evil or wrongful motivation and intention. The apparent good is therefore not a good at all.
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Thank you, Tigger. This makes a lot of sense. Pride will always lead us astray. It’s good to be obedient and not think we know more than the Church.
 
Veronica97 said:
Thank you, Tigger. This makes a lot of sense. Pride will always lead us astray. It’s good to be obedient and not think we know more than the Church.
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…👍…obedience is a powerful virtue and the humbly obedient person will never ever be lead astray, nor of course the humbly obedient community. A nun who taught me said “One thousand difficulties cannot make one doubt” - and one can have difficulties perhaps with some things in The Church, but remains faithful and humble in and to the virtue of obedience and for Love of God.
St Mary of The Cross MacKillop felt that the bishop was wrong in his excommunication of her, but she would not allow her sisters to speak against him and she remained humbly obedient to him. Before his death, His Grace admitted he was wrong in the excommunication and lifted it. This is an example where a saint had problems with authority in The Church and even felt that that authority was wrong, but took up her cross (“take up your cross daily and come, follow Me”) and remained humbly obedient to that authority. It cannot have been easy.
Jesus tells us to “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s”. St Paul tells us that “ALL authority comes from God”. Not hard to ‘connect the dots’ I dont think. 🙂

In reading these Forums, I am sometimes reminded too of something else St Paul said lst Corianthians Ch3 " [4] For while one saith, I indeed am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollo; are you not men? What then is Apollo, and what is Paul?". A discussion in a forum on some subject on which The Church teaches and contributors take up this argument or that argument and hold to it. What we are called to do as Catholics is to be obedient to The Church which is the Mystical Body of Christ. In obedience to The Church, we are obedient to Christ who has told us that “the gates of hell shall not prevail”.
Obedience is beautiful because it is humble and also a powerful virtue working unseen much good in our world I am convinced.
 
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