Fatima ? I'm beginning to doubt

[ialsop]

You are putting way too much reality into what is most probably a fairy tale written by some bronze age story teller. They probably decided to wear clothes to keep the scorching Middle Eastern sun from cooking their bodies.

Aaaaand all your credibility just went away.

 

[ialsop]

To add to your post, human rights as we know it began only around the rule of Cyrus the Great, which became “Natural Law” with the Romans. Eventually, the concept of natural law evolved to be the fundamental human rights we know of today. The United Nations has “The Universal Declaration of Human Rights” which lays out 30 rights that all of humankind is entitled to. The fact that the UN even exists should be evidence alone that ours is a more peaceful era than any other time in history.

But in the end, we can only attain true peace in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Oh dear no.

The UN has certainly not brought us peace.

Oh yes the modern world cares much about rights. But rights are not a sign of peace at all if they are ignored and wars rage on across the planet.

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

I have no doubts about Fatima or Lourdes but I am not comfortable with Medjugorje due to the Church’s skepticism. But as others have said you don’t have to believe in private revelations.

One has to examine and decide what are the most essential parts of the Lourdes, Fatima etc industries.

Maximin was pressured into changing his tune, but that doesn’t alter what we fortunately have on what was shown him for whoever it was shown him for.

Scepticism around some “packages” may be partly due to fluctuations in the stance of some participants (under pressure), then other parties adopt a political stance regarding the package. It all gets complicated. Approval or not governs the status of diocesan or parish trips to such places. When bunches of individuals go privately without parishes lending any endorsement, they are free to pick & choose whether they see core elements which they see as relatively inspiring - as far as I understand. And it does get very difficult to filter out the core elements, even in a place like Lourdes.

The heart of the Lourdes message is to repent which isn’t often discussed.

The purpose of “private revelations” is to help whoever chooses to interest themselves in them, to apply the permanent public revelation to life in current circumstances. What are called prophecies in I Cor 12 and Eph 4 have the same function and may be smaller in scope.

They are very often addressed mainly to the Church itself.

It is because of the first war that my grandparents turned Catholic and my other grandmother met my Catholic grandfather, and because of the second one that my mum met my dad.

So remember what they say about an ill wind - and stick with those who get the deepest meaning from all the Scriptures, both with and without what anyone may consider the most core features of various private revelations.

 

[KidCatholic1]

Oh dear no.

The UN has certainly not brought us peace.

Oh yes the modern world cares much about rights. But rights are not a sign of peace at all if they are ignored and wars rage on across the planet.

I’m not saying that the UN has achieved world peace, but it’s a step in the right direction.

 

[anon67074017]

My evidence for Fatima rests with the Consecration of Russia. Russia was consecrated in 1984. The atheist and communist Soviet Union was a very powerful nation at the time. The next year, something special happened. An extraordinary leader took power in the Soviet Union. His name was Mikhail Gorbachev. Gorbachev was an atheist, but he respected the Christian faith. He began to relax restrictions on Christianity. His policies also gave people in the USSR more political freedom. This led to revolutions in the Warsaw Pact countries that the USSR controlled. The Berlin Wall fell in 1989. The Soviet Union itself began to collapse after that. The once mighty materialistic empire fell in 1991. Russia returned to conservative Christian values after that. It is an amazing story.