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Melchior
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Scripture does not promise that Salvation is through Christ alone???
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Randy_Carson
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But not from her own resources, of course.
She knows her son can change the water into wine…that why she tells us, “Do whatever He tells you.”
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water
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we should not be worried about that. The more non-Catholic comes to bring up issues, the more our true believe will be on their mind. Of course, I don’t mean that we accept rude comments, etc. We could pray and hope that the Holy Spirit will guide all of us to see how much God wants us to love Virgin Mary. If people come here with an open-mind, they shall find the truth.Yes kinda make you wonder if his attack on the Church is the work of satan.
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myfavoritmartin
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My simple questions haven’t been given simple answers.
I am requesting people to consider Fatima as it aligns with scripture… Are you okay with it?. As a Catholic most accept because the church okayed it, though it is not required to accept I am wondering what you think. Do all just accept it because the church says its okay?
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Eireann
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Can you point me to an apparition of satan where his alleged prophecies have come true ?
All the more reason for the Church not to jump in, there was a Spanish nun who alleged for 30 years to be having visions and messages.
Until a minister of God unearthed her, it turns out she as a child sold her soul to the devil, she need an exorcism before her death.
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water
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I am ok with it because both the Church is Ok with it and I believe it for I love Virgin Mary.
You can’t expect to have a simple answer if you raised more questions after you said “never mind…” on your second reply.
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LilyM
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Truly not just because the Church says it’s OK
… but becausea) I for one know and understand how thoroughly such apparitions are investigated before anything is pronounced in regard to them
b) we understand how reasonable the Church’s attitude is to them. It never endorses private apparitions such as Fatima. Simply it says ‘these are not contrary to church teaching and therefore OK to believe, but not required or necessary’
c) Fatima in particular ties in with all the things we believe (and believed for hundreds of years before it happened) about Christ and Mary and their relationship.
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myfavoritmartin
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This was a tongue in cheek comment…
You guys should know me better than this by now, it is a protestant jab at blindly following.
Forgive me.
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myfavoritmartin
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How does the church rationalize the date and location discrepencies? Would a messenger from God err in their message?Truly not just because the Church says it’s OK
a) I for one know and understand how thoroughly such apparitions are investigated before anything is pronounced in regard to them
b) we understand how reasonable the Church’s attitude is to them. It never endorses private apparitions such as Fatima. Simply it says ‘these are not contrary to church teaching and therefore OK to believe, but not required or necessary’
c) Fatima in particular ties in with all the things we believe (and believed for hundreds of years before it happened) about Christ and Mary and their relationship.
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estesbob
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Not by “Faith” alone.
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estesbob
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Why would it have to align with Scripture?
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mikeledes
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I believe that the Fatima message you quoted does not contradict the fact that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. If you believe in eternal security, then this message can seem quite blasphemous. However, we believe that Mary always leads people to Jesus and prays for their salvation. So devotion to Mary leads to a closer relationship to her Son. As a result, we ensure our final salvation.
God bless,
Michael
God bless,
Michael
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mikeledes
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A private revelation is not infallible like the Bible and that is why it does not become part of Divine Revelation. There can be errors in the transmission of a message.
God Bless,
Michael
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myfavoritmartin
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I believe it is in 1st peter where we are to test the spirits also ISAiah I will check tonight, I’m referring to teachings not conttradicting scripture.
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myfavoritmartin
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The most levelheaded (no offense to the others) catholic post so far on this thread, all should keep this in mind.
Peace
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Tom317
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I think everyone here would agree with that post, which must mean we are all level headed in your view.
Thank you for that.
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mikeledes
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Nooooo! :crying: We’re not supposed to agree! But thank you for the compliment anyway.
God Bless,
Michael
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water
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Fatima is not a private revelation.
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myfavoritmartin
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Really, what is it?
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LilyM
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Fatima is a private revelation.
Popes such as John Paul 2 have paid attention to it and more or less tried to do what Our Lady requested, but none the less it remains private revelation. For example, arguably Russia hasn’t been consecrated as was requested, but there is no pain of sin or any such attached to this fact.
And apparently, according to Sr Lucia (one of the visionaries) Our Lady accepted the general consecration of the world in the place of the specific consecration of Russia.
Public revelation, which ended with the death of the Apostle John (even though the apostolic beliefs and teachings are constantly being refined and developed), doesn’t chop and change in quite such a quick and arbitrary fashion.
And for anyone, including a Pope, to refuse to obey the dictates of publicly revealed (apostolic) truth (for example to deny the dogma of the Trinity or some such) would indeed incur the pain of sin.
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