Fatima, the work of satan?

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Every time I come to this site I am always presented with yet one more reason that we should all offer reparations and penances for the outrages spoken and therefore committed against our Lord.

Honor and veneration for our Blessed Mother is an ultimate imitation of Christ.

Lets not forget the 30 years that Jesus spent in obedience to our Blessed Mother and his adoptive father Joseph.

Who do we think we are not to imitate Christ in this same fashion?

2:51. “And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart.”

Luke 2:51
 
Tom317 said:
You are way out on a limb with this. The Vatican constantly and strongly professes the truths of Christ–and each and every day and each every minute the Church is professing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, more so then any other entity on earth, far more so.

When the Vatican speaks of abortion, it does not profess Christ then either, rather it makes a statement about the Church’s position regarding abortion. You need to take a breather with your anti-Catholic bias and start to realize that the Church has literally carried the truth of Christ across the globe. You would not have a Bible or any of the known truths of the faith if it were not for the Catholic Church…spreading the Gospel is the core mission of the Church, yet that does not mean every statement they make has to contain a profession of Christ.

Take a breath, breath in slowly and think before you respond to posts here and put your hatred down. 🙂
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What are you talking about?.. Did you read the fatima link?
Did you read what I was reply about?
It is you whom should take a breather…
 
myfavoritmartin said:
Bob,
Read the link to vatican’s summary of fatima, no where in this vision does Christ come up; not as our salvation, not for anything… In fact it only speaks of saving souls by devotion to Her (Mary’s) immaculate heart… That is why this verse is very pertinent.
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Mary is Christs Mother. She gave birth to Jesus in the flesh so her very existence affirms her ackowledgenent of this. In the Fatima link it mentions the Eucharist extenisvely-and about consecrating Russia to it. The Eucharist is the physical body and Blood of Christ.

i think trying to pull one verse out of scripture and trying to use it to refute Fatima is a perfect example of the dangers inherent with Sola scriptura. Why should we accept your interperation of this verse?
 
Tom317 said:
Okay, then please cease with this mindset that Catholis are not following Christ, it is a disgusting and hateful position to take.
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Where on earth are you getting this from… I never indicated such a thing…sheesh
 
myfavoritmartin said:
Where on earth are you getting this from… I never indicated such a thing…sheesh
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Reconsider your posts and think about your purpose here. It seemed to me at first that you had questions about Fatima and why Catholics might follow that vision. However, as this thread has unfoleded you have taken many opportunities to bash the Catholic faith the Vatican, so I wonder what you real intent is here. I say this with no insult intended, I just do not know where you are going with this because many people have given sound explanations for your questions.

If your intent is to tell Catholics they are wrong, you are no in the correct place because the Catholics here typically are very strong in their love for Christ.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
Bob,
Read the link to vatican’s summary of fatima, no where in this vision does Christ come up; not as our salvation, not for anything… In fact it only speaks of saving souls by devotion to Her (Mary’s) immaculate heart… That is why this verse is very pertinent.
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Once again, I suggest that this discussion would benefit from a determination of what “devotion to Her (Mary’s) immaculate heart” means.

Your point that “no where in this vision does Christ come up” is an important one that deserves consideration. However, I would offer that when I tell my children to obey me, they KNOW that in doing so they are glorifying, honoring and obeying God. Each time I remind them of their duties as children, I do not have to explicitly say to them, “Children, obey me and you will be glorifying, honoring, and obeying God.” In fact, more often than not, when I do remind them to obey, I never even have to mention God. I do not neglect mentioning Him, mind you, but rather I know my children and I know that each one from infancy has been raised in the faith knowing God’s Sovereignty and Supremacy. And I know that when I mention obedience to my children, they are ever aware of how their obedience and devotion to me reflects their obedience and devotion to the God who entrusted them to me.
 
Tom317 said:
Reconsider your posts and think about your purpose here. It seemed to me at first that you had questions about Fatima and why Catholics might follow that vision. However, as this thread has unfoleded you have taken many opportunities to bash the Catholic faith the Vatican, so I wonder what you real intent is here. I say this with no insult intended, I just do not know where you are going with this because many people have given sound explanations for your questions.

If your intent is to tell Catholics they are wrong, you are no in the correct place because the Catholics here typically are very strong in their love for Christ.
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Prove what you state or knock it off.
 
JaneFrances said:
Once again, I suggest that this discussion would benefit from a determination of what “devotion to Her (Mary’s) immaculate heart” means.

Your point that “no where in this vision does Christ come up” is an important one that deserves consideration. However, I would offer that when I tell my children to obey me, they KNOW that in doing so they are glorifying, honoring and obeying God. Each time I remind them of their duties as children, I do not have to explicitly say to them, “Children, obey me and you will be glorifying, honoring, and obeying God.” In fact, more often than not, when I do remind them to obey, I never even have to mention God. I do not neglect mentioning Him, mind you, but rather I know my children and I know that each one from infancy has been raised in the faith knowing God’s Sovereignty and Supremacy. And I know that when I mention obedience to my children, they are ever aware of how their obedience and devotion to me reflects their obedience and devotion to the God who entrusted them to me.
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This is a fair statement, but as a poster pointed out earlier the bible tells us how to test spirits by their recognition of Christ in the flesh, now if you mean to say devotion to the immaculate heart of Mary is recognition of Christ in the flesh.
I understand, though I disagree.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
This is a fair statement, but as a poster pointed out earlier the bible tells us how to test spirits by their recognition of Christ in the flesh, now if you mean to say devotion to the immaculate heart of Mary is recognition of Christ in the flesh.
I understand, though I disagree.
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The question is not does devotion to the Immacualte Heart of Mary shows recognition of Chrict in the flesh-the Question does MARY recognize Christ in the Flesh. it is obvious she does so even using your novel interperation of a random scripture verse she could not be a satanic spirit.
 
water said:
but if by grace of the Lord alone, and you don’t love your parents, what would you gain?
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It’s all grace. That’s why you have the Sacrament of reconciliation. Because we will and do break the commandments, we always love Him imperfectly in this life. What are the Sacraments but God grace? You cannot work your way into Heaven. Christ died on the Cross so we could go to Heaven. We do the works of faith, in faith. If you could work your way into Heaven Christ would not have died for you. Of course you need to work as a mark of true faith, faith without works is dead. But you still cannot trust in your imperfect works. At the end of the day we must, like the theif on the cross throw ourselves on Christs mercy and his grace alone. That is Catholic teaching by the way.

Works and obedience are Catholic. Trusting in our works is not.

Mel
 
Tom317 said:
Okay, then please cease with this mindset that Catholis are not following Christ, it is a disgusting and hateful position to take.
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IN NO WAY SHAPE OR MEAN HAS THIS EVER BEEN IMPLIED. IF YOU CHOOSE TO PERSONALLY ATTACK ME FOR STATING THIS PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF.
 
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