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Nehemiah-- – I love it because of the story, the humanity, the earnestness of Ezra and the way we can identify with the people–
Welcome to CAF I hope you have a wonderful experience here God Bless You NancyI think Ecclesiasticus is good starting point to read the O.T.; it was the first book I read on the Bible, after I become curious when someone read a snippet of the text on TV. After I read Ecclesiasticus, I went reading the Gospels on N.T.
I like the stories in Genesis.
In this day and age I most identify with Jeremiah, all doom and gloom, with a long term hopeful future. I think he’s the most relevant.
Incidentally I haven’t been rostered to proclaim the Word for a while as the masses have changed their timeslots, but I found the Old Testament readings as a rule lent themselves to dramatization more readily than the NT readings. So if you want to practice your speechcraft, stick with the old time boys.![]()
Welcome annejohno, I hope your stay will increase your knowledge You are Loved NancyNehemiah-- – I love it because of the story, the humanity, the earnestness of Ezra and the way we can identify with the people–
I hesitate to write this because it could annoy many posters. There are beautiful parts to the Old Testament, but so much of it is filled with violence, a spirit of hatred, killing the innocent, an attitude of racial and religious superiority and mythology that there are huge portions of it that don't deserve the title of "the Word of God! etc.
Just a few examples. Many of the Psalms are inspirational, and I have memorized several. However, other Psalms are full of bitterness and bigotry. Consider, as one example, Psalm 137:9 - "Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." Does anyone see anything of Christ in that verse?
Or, what about Esther. Not one mention of God in the entire book. Okay, we can admire the courage of Esther in her successful effort to save the Hebrew people. But what about the slaughter of thousands upon thousands in revenge.
Then, in the historical books, we find gross atrocities. How God allegedly ordered Joshua to slay everybody in Jericho, Ai and elsewhere. How God allegedly commanded Saul to murder every last Amalekite. Does anyone find the spirit of Christ in such brutal ethnic cleansing? Sounds more like Hitler than Jesus.
We could go on and on. All sorts of mythology in Genesis, of course - at least the first 11 chapters. God created different languages because man built the Tower of Babel? Give me a break. And Noah built that ark and two of every animal got on board? Silly. Besides, what kind of God would drown all the rest of humanity, including babies - some still in the womb.
David is praised because "Saul has killed his thousands but David his ten thousands!" And that 'great king' steals another man's wife and deliberately sends the poor guy off to battle to be killed so he can add her to his harem If Madoff deserves 150 years, David deserved at least that much. Instead he is still hailed as Israel's most heralded monarch. Rubbish! And how did having 1000 wives and 600 concubines help make Solomon 'wiser than all men'? And we excuse that but get upset about renegade Mormons and their 3-4 wives today!
Probably the best parts of the OT are some of the prophetic passages which condemn war, the oppression of the poor, corruption and other social evils.
Christians need to stop swallowing scriptures that are filled with violence, superstition, misinformation, and other nonsense. Yes, there is considerable wisdom there, too - rather like refining valuable minerals by first discarding the sludge.
I have to agree with you on this one. I used to be a part of a ‘hard-core’ elistist heavy strong evangelism Protestant group, that justified being harsh with people and self-righteous. A person with emotional problems will definitely get a much different interpretation of the Scriptures than a healthy person. I think the Bible can be dangerous in the wrong hands.GOSH, SO MUCH BRUTALITY!
Code:Yes, there is considerable wisdom there, too - rather like refining valuable minerals by first discarding the sludge.
That was interesting…I’ve been feeling the same way this week with the story ofGOSH, SO MUCH BRUTALITY!
there are huge portions of it that don’t deserve the title of "the Word of God! etc.
Hm! That's a difficult question. I probably find more inspiration in the Psalms than anywhere else, so that would be my choice overall. At the same time, some of my favorite passages are in the prophets - e. g., verses from Isaiah 40, Micah 6:8, Amos 5:21-24. As a drama (not to be taken literally, of course), I have always liked Job.
The Catholic Church has 9 more books in the OT than I knew as a child, so I'm not as familiar with those books, though I am generally acquainted with their content. Now, please remember two things: (1) those 9 books are often included in many Protestant Bibles as the Apocrypha; (2) the Protestant Old Testament contains the identifical OT scriptures that you will find in the Bible in your neigborhood synagogue. And St. Jerome of Vulgate fame, I believe, felt that the 9 should not be included in the official canon. Personally, I don't care either way, but I think that to argue over that issue is a waste of time.
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Code:I hesitate to write this because it could annoy many posters. There are beautiful parts to the Old Testament, but so much of it is filled with violence, a spirit of hatred, killing the innocent, an attitude of racial and religious superiority and mythology that there are huge portions of it that don't deserve the title of "the Word of God! etc. Just a few examples. Many of the Psalms are inspirational, and I have memorized several. However, other Psalms are full of bitterness and bigotry. Consider, as one example, Psalm 137:9 - "Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." Does anyone see anything of Christ in that verse? Or, what about Esther. Not one mention of God in the entire book. Okay, we can admire the courage of Esther in her successful effort to save the Hebrew people. But what about the slaughter of thousands upon thousands in revenge. Then, in the historical books, we find gross atrocities. How God allegedly ordered Joshua to slay everybody in Jericho, Ai and elsewhere. How God allegedly commanded Saul to murder every last Amalekite. Does anyone find the spirit of Christ in such brutal ethnic cleansing? Sounds more like Hitler than Jesus. We could go on and on. All sorts of mythology in Genesis, of course - at least the first 11 chapters. God created different languages because man built the Tower of Babel? Give me a break. And Noah built that ark and two of every animal got on board? Silly. Besides, what kind of God would drown all the rest of humanity, including babies - some still in the womb. David is praised because "Saul has killed his thousands but David his ten thousands!" And that 'great king' steals another man's wife and deliberately sends the poor guy off to battle to be killed so he can add her to his harem If Madoff deserves 150 years, David deserved at least that much. Instead he is still hailed as Israel's most heralded monarch. Rubbish! And how did having 1000 wives and 600 concubines help make Solomon 'wiser than all men'? And we excuse that but get upset about renegade Mormons and their 3-4 wives today! Probably the best parts of the OT are some of the prophetic passages which condemn war, the oppression of the poor, corruption and other social evils. Christians need to stop swallowing scriptures that are filled with violence, superstition, misinformation, and other nonsense. Yes, there is considerable wisdom there, too - rather like refining valuable minerals by first discarding the sludge.
I personally don’t know which parts of the OT are literal and which parts are allegorical- like a 6 day creation of earth for example. Or always what parts of the Bible are documenting merely documenting something or it is God’s feelings. I like Karl Barth’s answer to someone who asked him on whether a real serpent really talked to Eve in the garden. He answered that he would worry less on if the serpent spoke and focus more on the words the serpent said. Call me sick but I like the prayer that is found in Psalm 137 about dashing their enemies’ babies heads among the rocks. Not because I think that is God’s intentions, but it’s a reminder that I’m not the only person who has prayed an unrighteous prayer, but God is patient with me. The story of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son bothered me, until I learned in Jewish midrash, that child sacrifice was very common and accepted in Canaan. It wouldn’t have been an unusual request at all from a ‘god’. By God stopping Abraham’s hand, God was saying that the common practice of child sacrifice was not acceptable, YHWH isn’t like the other false gods of the land.
I like the book of Judges. It shows no matter how lost mankind can get, God doesn’t forget us. I like Deuteronomy too. It talks about the ‘heart’ behind the law that was given.
Ecclasiasticus (Sirach) is my favorite. I also like Job, Psalms, and WisdomWhich book of the Old Testament is your favorite and why?