Favorite movies where villain wins

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There aren’t many where the villain wins.

One that I recall is Valkyrie, which stars Tom Cruise as a member of the Nazi Military who tries to assassinate Hitler.

I really enjoyed that movie. I don’t recall any objectionable material, like sexual scenes or anything. It is rated PG-13 and is really good.
 
Mrs. Doubtfire

The shallow self-justifying Sally Fields (antagonist) character throws the rest of her family up for grabs as she pursues a better deal/better guy/“better life” while winning a complete victory court battle to keep real father (Robin Williams) and her kids apart.

Even after she softens … she does not go back to her husband. But allows him to babysit for her in the afternoons (“for free” this time – as opposed to paying Mrs. Doubtfire – one might suppose).

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For a number of reasons this is sort of a love/hate movie for me rather than a “favorite” … but there are a number of thought provoking moments in it to make it rememberable … and per this thread … the “villian” does seem to “win” (or at least continues to control everyone else’s destiny according to her mood of the day … which has not quite acquiesced to everyone else’s seeming desire to be a family again).
I’d have to disagree with the assessment on the Sally Field’s character. The movie showed Robin Williams’ character wasn’t the most responsible adult around, and was too busy being ‘fun dad’ to be a true partner to his wife. I felt we’d simply seen a woman who’d been pushed to this limit by her husband’s antics and snapped. (Note the wild party/completely trashed house we were introduced to right at the beginning–and it’s implied such things were typical of Williams’ character.)

The other guy also didn’t come along until after the divorce was final, so she didn’t exactly throw her husband aside for ‘someone better’.

In a conversation she has with “Mrs. Doubtfire” (her disguised ex-husband), she admits that she was stressed, she was tired, they were always fighting, and she was so miserable that she was crying herself to sleep–and her ex-husband never even noticed.

And note that throughout the movie, we do see the ex-husband suddenly pulling himself together and being more responsible. Maybe if he’d done that earlier, he wouldn’t have pushed his wife to a point where she felt she had no more options.

And apparently there was talk of having the divorced couple get back together, but Fields, Williams, and the director (all divorcees themselves) felt it would be sending a ‘false message’ to kids about the reality of divorce–so the characters’ divorce remained.
 
1984 – O’Brien (the last role Richard Burton played before he died) finally crushes Winston. Certainly not a “happy ending” but the villain triumphs.
 
I’d have to disagree with the assessment on the Sally Field’s character. The movie showed Robin Williams’ character wasn’t the most responsible adult around, and was too busy being ‘fun dad’ to be a true partner to his wife. I felt we’d simply seen a woman who’d been pushed to this limit by her husband’s antics and snapped. (Note the wild party/completely trashed house we were introduced to right at the beginning–and it’s implied such things were typical of Williams’ character.)

The other guy also didn’t come along until after the divorce was final, so she didn’t exactly throw her husband aside for ‘someone better’.

In a conversation she has with “Mrs. Doubtfire” (her disguised ex-husband), she admits that she was stressed, she was tired, they were always fighting, and she was so miserable that she was crying herself to sleep–and her ex-husband never even noticed.

And note that throughout the movie, we do see the ex-husband suddenly pulling himself together and being more responsible. Maybe if he’d done that earlier, he wouldn’t have pushed his wife to a point where she felt she had no more options.

And apparently there was talk of having the divorced couple get back together, but Fields, Williams, and the director (all divorcees themselves) felt it would be sending a ‘false message’ to kids about the reality of divorce–so the characters’ divorce remained.
Nice (name removed by moderator)ut and take. Thanks for taking the time. I hadn’t checked this thread in a while.

Racking my brains for the next “villian wins” entry. It’s good for my memory and creativity. 🙂
 
The Oceans 11 series. Especially the original and then the first Clooney remake. Oceans 12 and 13 were ok but not as great.

There’s also a movie from the 90’s called Hackers that I loved. Early Angelina Jolie. The group of hacker teens might be classified as something other than a villain, though. They were not clear heroes, though.

Paranormal Activity. All of them. Scariest movies I have ever seen.

And I agree with the Usual Suspects. Excellent movie and you just can’t help but grin at the end.
 
Not exactly what I had in mind but Sally field’s mug up-thread and the oceans movies got me thinking.
Smokey and the bandit.
A egotistical slacker takes a bet to completely break the law, bootleg, speed, attempted murder on several police officers. Steals a cold footed bride and defiles her on his cross country crime spree.

And he is the hero. (Villain)
 
Perhaps Peck(name removed by moderator)ah’s The Wild Bunch qualifies.

It has no really redeeming characters in it to start with, which is sort of its point. A reaction to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, the point was that we’re fascinated with bad guys not because they secretly have a heart of gold, but because they’re really bad.

The ending (and I’ll not put in any plot spoilers to ruin it) is not only hugely violent but enigmatic, but the only protagonist left at the end of the film seem to have elected for badness.
 
Maybe more a “hero loses” than a “villain wins” movie, but while I loved Dead Poets Society, Mr. Keating does still get fired at the end after being betrayed by his students, sure they give him a rousing send-off, but I doubt that any of them helped him pay his bills after he left.

Well, I guess you could argue that Headmaster Nolan or Neil’s father are “villains”, but I saw them more as “antagonists” than true villains.
 
I guess one can argue that the villains win in most horror movies, but on the other hand, one could also argue that the monsters are actually the heroes of such movies.
 
I guess one can argue that the villains win in most horror movies, but on the other hand, one could also argue that the monsters are actually the heroes of such movies.
Well, the monsters might be the protagonists of the horror movies, but that doesn’t make them heroes, just like being an antagonist doesn’t necessarily make one a bad guy.

Movie example: The Fugitive: Richard Kimball is the protagonist (and in this case, the hero). Deputy Gerrard and his team are antagonists, but not villains; they’re goal is to stop the protagonist and recapture him, but they also help take down the villain of the movie.

Conversely, there’s a trilogy of Star Wars novels called the Darth Bane trilogy. Darth Bane is obviously the protagonist of that trilogy, but since he founds an order than eventually produces Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader, he’s not a hero at all. The Jedi, at least in book 2, could be considered antagonists, even though they’re not villains; they’re trying to stop the Sith’s return and continued survival (which is Darth Bane’s goal).
 
Cabin in the Woods is a fantastic movie that steps outside of the typical horror genre. There is some gore and one scene of nudity but outside of that the ending is outstanding. I’d definitely recommend it if you can look past the few flaws it has. Loved the twist
 
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