Favourite Liturgy

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@XXI_4 , @Phillip_Rolfes , @Malphono, and any other Maronites…Do you guys use the Liturgy of St.James or the liturgy of the 12 apostles?
 
The liturgy of St. James. We have somewhere around 80-100 anaphorae I think. But only about a dozen that are currently in use. I think there are 8 in the regular liturgy in English, 3 being translated but not yet released to use, plus a modified (heavily truncated) version of Sharrar that is used only on Great Friday. It’s sometimes referred to as 3rd Peter, which isn’t really correct. It has a fairly long title, which escapes me at the moment.
 
I (mostly) attend Mass celebrated according to the OF of the Roman Rite (due to accessibility & location), as for my personal favorite, the Divine Liturgy Of St John Chrysostom (i’m in love with the Byzantine traditions) it has been compared, and I would say rightly so to heaven on earth:


I would strictly attend a Byzantine Catholic parish for the rest of my life if I lived close to one (my wife probably wouldn’t be on board as she prefers the Roman traditions 😂), I grew up in Pittsburgh where I fell in love with the traditions of the east & now I live in Texas (about an hour drive to the Byzantine Catholic mission) so I don’t get to attend (Byzantine church) as much as I used to.
Also the Anglican Use of the Roman Rite (my wife’s personal favorite) is absolutely beautiful and I would say my favorite of the Roman Rite (think the EF Mass in English), it is the Mass of the Anglican Ordinariate of the Catholic Church:

 
@XXI_4 is correct… sort of. Although our Liturgy is supposed to be a “version” of the Liturgy of St. James, it’s been revised (re-/de-formed depending on your perspective) so much recently that you won’t recognize it as the Liturgy of St. James when you compare it to the Chaldean, Sryian, Syro-Malabar, and Syro-Malankara liturgies.

That being said, we do have nearly 100 anaphorae, although only a small handful have been translated into English. Until recently the Anaphora of the 12 Apostles was the one most commonly in use in the U.S. That’s the one that my parish priest seems to prefer, although he does try to use whatever anaphora seems most appropriate for the feast being celebrated. 😉
 
The Anaphora of Sharar, from what I’ve heard, is very similair to the Anaphora of Mar Addai and Mari
 
The Syro Malabar church and the Chaldean Catholic Church does not use the Liturgy of St.James
 
Phillip_Rolfes said:
Although our Liturgy is supposed to be a “version” of the Liturgy of St. James, it’s been revised (re-/de-formed depending on your perspective) so much
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Yes, I should have said the Novus Ordo of St. James.😬
Phillip_Rolfes said:
the Anaphora of the 12 Apostles was the one most commonly in use
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Because it’s the first one in the book after the pre-anaphora so there’s no need to flip through pages 😂

I’m kind of partial to the anaphoras of James and John. I love the sheep and goats imagery in John’s. I know two priests who (rarely) use the old version of the prayer at the Sanctus, which is about 2 pages long and speaks of the angels wings flapping with such force that they shake the lintels of heaven itself. I think that prayer is in the Anaphoras of James. Sadly, I don’t think I have a copy of it anywhere.

I’d love to see a fully restored Sharrar, which I understand is about 3 hours long.
 
I really like tone Byzantine Divine Liturgy uses. I used to play it on youtube and sing along like I would sing along to favourite song. I prefer Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom but haven’t attended Liturgy of St. James yet.

I really like all the gestures in Extraordinary Form- bowing head, kneeling during Credo etc.

But my favourite Liturgy is probably Novus Ordo Ad Orientem, done in very reverent style (vernacular probably). I haven’t attended it yet but watched it on youtube and since I am familiar with Novus Ordo it wasn’t hard to figure out.

I haven’t attended any other Liturgies yet but I am very intrigued by all Eastern Catholic Liturgies (Maronites have special place in my heart so I wish I can attend their Liturgy one day), and Ordinariate Liturgy seemed nice too. I made a list of all approved Liturgies currently available in Catholic Church and I wish to attend every single one of them.
 
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Good luck man! But good luck attending a Qurbana that use the Anaphora of Mar Nestorious and the Anaphora of Mar Theodore cause they are not used sadly
 
XXI_4 said:
I know two priests who (rarely) use the old version of the prayer at the Sanctus, which is about 2 pages long and speaks of the angels wings flapping with such force that they shake the lintels of heaven itself.
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This sounds quite beautiful, do you think that there is a source online? I would love to read this.
 
If you live in Great Britain, you can ask Mar Joseph Srampickal as he is known for his support of delatinisation. He is one of the very few syro Malabar bishops that performs that christening of the Holy Myron (also known as Moroon). Another possiblity is Mar Joseph Kallarangatt, the only bishop in India to have have said the whole, raza Qurbana in East Syriac. And here and there some priests do use them as an experiment even though they are acknowledged by the Pope. Many modernised,latinised,and hinduised Syro Malabarians believe that these anphorae are heritical even though the Anaphora of Mar Theodore is probably The Anaphore of St. John Chrysostom with East Syriac modifications and whether Mar Nestorius was a Heretic is disputed. The Qudasha of Mar Nestorius - YouTube
 

(Mar Jospeh Srampickal celebrating the Qurbana using the Anaphora of Mar Nestorious

 
CathBoy1 said:
This sounds quite beautiful, do you think that there is a source online? I would love to read this.
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Unfortunately no. I think I will reach out to see if I can get a copy. I’ve looked through all the older copies of the liturgical books that I have and it is not in them. If I find it or get a hold of a copy soon I’ll post the text.
 
I thought Nestorius & Theodore of Mopsuestia were condemned as heretics by the Church (specifically by the Third, Fourth & Fifth Ecumenical Councils). I know Theodore of Tyre is a Saint but iirc he’s a Great Martyr.
 
Hahahaha this is a long standed argument that Traditionalist Catholics throw at as (besides that fact that some even thought we were orginally Manicheasits.) The terminology used by Mar Theodore and Nestorious was mistranslated. The term Qnoma has no Latin or Greek translation and was therefore translated as hypostatic union, which is incorrect. Also, Mar Nestorious’s works were all burned, so who knows what he actually taught. The only reason why East Syrians were known as Nestorians is because we refused to call Marth Mariam as Yuldath Alaha (bearer of God) and called her Yuldath Mshiha (Bearer of Christ.) East Syriac theologians wanted to avoid the any confusion. They wanted to make sure they people knew that Marth Mariam was the Mother of God the Son, Christ, and not the whole trinity. Regarding the absense of the East Syrian Bishops at the councils you mention; The Persian empire was in the state of turmoil and many christians were persecuted. Christians in Kerala depended on Persia, so that is why we are “no longer in the scene.”
 
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