FBI says rope found in NASCAR not a hate crime

[Nepperhan]

Any group or individual hiring based on predetermined outcomes such as race.

These can be ham-fisted attempts to make up for past discrimination. One alternative is race war, what James Baldwin called “The Fire Next Time”

It seems that minorities have been running with rock-filled sacks on their backs for 250 years. Now some say “We’re all going to start over with no packs on anyone’s back. That’s only fair.”

 

[Yakuda]

I am looking at an article from Fortune magazine and they are complaining that women are CEOs at only 7.4% of Fortune 500 companies. If that is not an expectation of equal outcomes then what is it?

In another Fortune article they note it’s worse for blacks who make up only 1% of CEOs but blacks are 13.4% of the population. Again, if this is not a complaint about equal outcomes what is it?

 

[Yakuda]

How do you make that happen?

 

[Nepperhan]

I am looking at an article from Fortune magazine and they are complaining that women are CEOs at only 7.4% of Fortune 500 companies. If that is not an expectation of equal outcomes them what is it?

I’m another Fortune article they note it’s worse for blacks who make up only 1% of CAPs but blacks are 13.4% of the population. Again, if this is not a complaint about equal outcomes what is it?

Well you start out with the universe you are drawing from: What’s the percentage of women MBAs in top-tier MBA schools? Then you take some soundings: “How many women are successful complainants to the EEOC about sex discrimination” Then you deal with anecdotal war stories if women charge they are held back.

After all that one can assess if what women are seeking is equal outcomes or equal treatment.

 

[Nepperhan]

How do you make that happen?

How does one make what happen?

 

[Yakuda]

"We’re all going to start over with no packs on anyone’s back. That’s only fair.”

 

[Nepperhan]

"We’re all going to start over with no packs on anyone’s back. That’s only fair.”

The question is if you see the fallacy in that viewpoint. How society starts over with equality is a question of public administration.

Ponder this: “Until 1976, black officers were blocked from joining a state-supported supplemental police retirement fund. Today, white officers who entered the fund before that year are taking home hundreds of dollars more every month in retirement benefits than their black counterparts.”

Retired black police seek pension parity

In 1976 folks in Atlanta were saying that everyone is equal. Now, aren’t some retirees still carrying the load of discrimination on their backs?

 

[Yakuda]

That’s improper so the retirees should file suit against the state of Georgia. Whats next?

 

[Nepperhan]

That’s improper so the retirees should file suit against the state of Georgia. Whats next?

Did you even read the news item? I doubt if they can file suit.

The point is that the evil effects of discrimination did not end with law changes.

 

[Yakuda]

So AGAIN how do we make this equal? To complain is the easiest thing in the world especially if you have a legitimate gripe but what i have learned in life is rarely are people who are agrieved ever fully satisfied with their compensation. People most often feel they have suffered far more than they have been compensated.

 

[MamaJewel]

Whatever racist feelings you hold deep down, don’t project on others. Most sane people living in 2020 don’t obsess over the color of someone’s skin. Some may, most don’t. I don’t care about flags or statues and who is offended by them. And something tells me neither did you until you had to have it “explained” to you through social media.

You don’t know me and you don’t know nothing about me.
I live in a gerrymandered district based on race. You hear me??? There is racism that’s alive and well. Nothing to do with social media when you live in a gerrymandered voting district that literally divides blacks and whites and weakens their collective voices for issues like failing schools, child poverty, unemployment, mass transit, hunger, homelessness, etc.

My racist community allowed a 45 minute rebel flag support protest to drive through my mixed neighborhood just 5 years ago. 45 minutes we couldn’t get off our block to go out shopping, etc. because of that racist movement. It was a message alright to my black neighbors that they better know who the law and community leadership support. Oh, and the “good man” who jump started the whole protest was later arrested for killing another man during a string of armed robberies. The idiot got arrested and killed himself in jail.

I’ve watched racism my whole entire life. I have seen first hand what my black friends have had to put up with.

I also see what my Hispanic friends who are darker skinned have to put up with based on their race.

Your talking to a woman with Hispanic children, so I know a few things about minorities.

Nobody had to tell me anything through social media. I have lived experience.

You want me to tell you the time I watched a black man be sexually assaulted because of his race? I was a child walking to school when that happened. I’ve seen other racist crap my whole darned life and I’m sick of it.

You don’t get to tell me my lived experiences weren’t real. Those days are long done when I put up with that from the likes of you. Get off your high horse already.

Of course you don’t care about flags, statues, voter suppression, gerrymandered voting districts, failing schools serving minority children, police brutality, or any disparities that exist because you can’t accept the truth that racism is alive and well in this nation.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

President Trump was prophetic as always…

Fake Noose.

 

[Nepperhan]

So AGAIN how do we make this equal?

I don’t know if we can but there have been attempts. Thnik of affirmative action.

What everyone needs to do is stop fooling oneself. There are innocent victims of racial discrimination who are still hurting from its effects. Remember that.

 

[MamaJewel]

What do you mean, “Your people…”?

You tell me.
Have you never seen someone beat or raped on the basis of their race?
Who was lynched in the south? It wasn’t white folk. They did the lynching.
Who had to drink out of “colored” water fountains, use “colored” bathrooms, etc.
Who gets racially profiled? Not my state senator who admittedly pleaded the 5th 75 times to thwart the discovery process in a multi million Medicare fraud case.
Who gets the failing schools and lack of access to health care, yada, yada?

Here’s a lived experience of a family member that has always bothered me to the core of my being.
Decades ago, my grandfather worked with a black gentleman who had his fingers cut-off in an industrial accident.
My grandfather grabbed his co-worker’s severed fingers, placed a clean towel around his injured hand and drove him to the nearest hospital.
A “white” hospital.
A hospital that refused to treat the man because they didn’t treat “expletive” there. When my grandfather insisted they treat his co-worker, the staff threatened both my grandfather and his co-worker with arrest if they did not leave.
My grandfather had to drive his co-worker 25 minutes away to the “black” hospital where the doctor grabbed the man’s injured hand and put it under hot running water because they didn’t have the necessary supplies to adequately treat the injury.
My grandfather cried like a baby when he got home and whenever he told the story of his co-worker’s injury and the discrimination he received.
And I acknowledge things are not as extreme as that today. In current society, it’s more subtle but just as deadly.

So back to your question of whose “people”…

My people.
Because I can see where this is going.
When this nation is done oppressing black Americans, it’s coming for my Hispanic children.
Nope.
Not happening.

I assumed she meant the rest of the jewelry.

Well, bless your little heart, as we say in the South.

remember that ALL majority Americans, whether or not they had even met a minority member, gained from discrimination against minorities in the US. A Catholic priest explained this to me 40 years ago.

Yes.
But many at CAF would deny that reality which the priest explained.
And sadly, people are still gaining from discrimination and disparities.

 

[MamaJewel]

Yep you’re the only one with life experience.

Seems like it on this thread. What’s the matter, you can handle the reality some unfortunate people have lived through.

There are monsters in the broad daylight, but you’re gonna sleep like a baby tonight.

The likes of me want to hear more about high horses especially.

You’re the one on the high horse and you refuse to get off of it.

Pray tell, share your lived experiences from that lofty horse of yours. Hit us up hard with your 411.

Afterall, I’m just a poor peasant. No horses for me.

Nascar not having a proprtionate amount of black drivers. So a racing league shouldn’t have the best drivers regardless of someone’s skin color but should have certain skin tones regardless of driving skill just so some people can feel warm and fuzzy inside?

Best drivers… who have the best drivers been and why? What happens to people left out by segregation? How do you become the best if you don’t have opportunity to get on the track or participate with a pit crew, or even watch a race. What about the grandfathers who raced and now their grandkids are the top drivers? Do you see how one group can be disadvantaged due to an earlier (forced) lack of exposure?

Racing has been a generational activity. Look at the drivers. Many drivers from racing families or cut their teeth at the speedways. They learned, breathed, and lived racing, so the sport is natural to them. Of course, this significantly increased their chances of being the best and staying the best.
We haven’t touched on Nascar’s support of segregationist policies over the decades.
But now we can and don’t take my word on it. Here’s a credible racing source.

Did You Notice?: In NASCAR, Black Lives Matter? No Confederate Flag? A Sea Change in How the Sport is Run

Take a look at racing's complicated history on race in the wake of the NASCAR Black Lives Matter movement and Bubba Wallace's push to ban confederate flags.

www.frontstretch.com

Times are changing though. We’re seeing that now.

Btw, my rural county has a speedway. Now, it is a respectable dirt-track going back to 1952 . It is located in a predominantly black neighborhood. In fact, the nearby local elementary school dates back to the late 1860s and it was founded by freedmen.

However, on race nights, you don’t see the families whose minority children attend the nearby school at those races, not as drivers nor as fans in the stands. And I have often wondered why.

It could be in part due to funds. It could be due to left-over reactions from segregation times. It could be because of fans. I don’t have an answer, but I do believe that it is very strange that locals from the neighborhood do not patronize that track.

Sorry your feelings are hurt by the truth of Nascar’s historical ways and the impacts segregationist policies had in creating barriers to entry in racing for certain demographics.

 

[MamaJewel]

So AGAIN how do we make this equal?

Literally, with accountability.
Hold government and business entities responsible for the disparities by using surveys, audits, pay4performance, etc.

Uphold the law.

Throw section 8 slumlords in jail, freeze and acquire the assets of a slumlord’s property, fine local municipal code enforcement if govt funded housing is subpar and no citations have been issued in a reasonable amount of time.

Do to “white collar” lawbreakers what we do to other lawbreakers. Throw them in jail with no bond until they meet government standards and laws. Take away their voting rights if they are receiving taxpayer funds and intentionally fail to deliver quality goods and services according to the law/standards.

I could go on for health care, education, law enforcement, fair housing, voc rehab, voting, dept of justice, etc.

Bring the hammer down on all folks on the wrong side of the law, not just a select, cherry-picked few, and there will be change.

I’m not saying to give everybody a McMansion, but good grief, do section 8 renters have to live in subpar housing with condemned stairwells, windows that don’t open or close, rodent and bug infestations, leaking roofs, leaking plumbing, no hot water and no heat or air?

Also, give poor people access to a specific account that allows savings set aside for certain expenses, like a home purchase, education, medical, whole life insurance, etc and don’t count those funds against SNAP and other benefit limits.

The poor can’t move ahead because of asset limitations that kick participants off of food stamps and other assistance, forcing them to deplete assets and fall back on the system.

 

[IslesRoo40]

Seems like it on this thread. What’s the matter, you can handle the reality some unfortunate people have lived through.

There are monsters in the broad daylight, but you’re gonna sleep like a baby tonight.

You’re the one on the high horse and you refuse to get off of it.

Pray tell, share your lived experiences from that lofty horse of yours. Hit us up hard with your 411.

Afterall, I’m just a poor peasant. No horses for me.

So is this where I get my victim checklist out and try to outshine you? Is that how this works? I can’t compete with you. I’ve lived in NY my whole life, among people of every color and nationality imaginable. I know good white people. I know bad white people. I know good black people. I know bad black people. Some of them, I would lay down my life for. I, like most sane people, have had good experiences with all races. I and other family members have had many, shall we say, unpleasant experiences. That is of course if you consider getting robbed an unpleasant experience. I’m curious, have you ever been hit with brass knuckles?

But do you know why I don’t judge other people based on some personal past experiences? Because I’m not insane, that’s why. Because it’s 2020. And I have the sanity still to realize the black guy standing in line next to me at the store is a completely different person from another guy who wronged me 30 years ago. Most people move on. That’s what we do here in NY. . . .

 

[WingedHussar]

You tell me.
Have you never seen someone beat or raped on the basis of their race?
Who was lynched in the south? It wasn’t white folk. They did the lynching.
Who had to drink out of “colored” water fountains, use “colored” bathrooms, etc.

I have seen plenty of videos of “Hispanic and black folk” assaulting white people. The knockout game was called “Polar Bear Hunting” by the “black and Hispanic folk” in my nearby metropolitan area. Yes, white people were lynched too. So do we keep bringing up racial grievances like a game of table tennis or try to find a just solution?

So back to your question of whose “people”…

My people.
Because I can see where this is going.
When this nation is done oppressing black Americans, it’s coming for my Hispanic children.
Nope.
Not happening.

Substitute White for black and Hispanic and I would be called a racist. However what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[IslesRoo40]

I have seen plenty of videos of “Hispanic and black folk” assaulting white people. The knockout game was called “Polar Bear Hunting” by the “black and Hispanic folk” in my nearby metropolitan area. Yes, white people were lynched too. So do we keep bringing up racial grievances like a game of table tennis or try to find a just solution?

Exactly. I could have given plenty of modern examples. But decided to keep it limited to the past since all these virtue warriors seem to do the same when they talk about systemic racism.

 

[YADA]

Gutfeld on fake noose | Fox News Video

FBI probe finds NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime.

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