Feast of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary

[wwolverine]

Besides Catholics, who else celebrates this festival? If not why?

Happy feast to all who celebrate this festival

 

[GKC]

Besides Catholics, who else celebrates this festival? If not why?

I rarely address posts that differentiate Anglicans from Catholics, as I assume this one does (it’s a quirk of mine), but I’ll do it this time. Anglicans, particularly of the Anglo-Catholic variety do. As today. Sing of Mary (Pure and Lowly) and Ye Who Own the Faith of Jesus (Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Full of Grace), today.

Anglican style.

GKC

 

[jakasaki]

Us, the Greek Orthodox…

 

[KathleenGee]

I finally came to intellectually/spiritually understand the Assumption after pondering several years on the walk of perfection — purgation, illuminative and unitive…flesh vs the spirit.

But Mary’s flesh did not sin, so it did not know the wages of sin: death and decay of the flesh.

Well, in the name of Holy Mary, may we seek a deeper spiritual life drawing on today’s graces…

 

[KathleenGee]

There are several articles that have come out…

Check out Catholicherald.co.uk…August 6 is the Transfiguration of Jesus…He revealed His divine state through His human body transforming it…why Mary Magdalene didn’t recognize Him 3 days later on the day of the Resurrection…

Our Lord was strengthening the faith of the Apostles to prepare them for His crucifixion.

August 6 is the date the “Little Boy” atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima…read about the German Jesuits–who came out of Nazi Germany – and were protected by the Blessed Mother…survived the atomic bomb 1 mile from their home…Donal Anthony Foley wrote the article…

August 15 is the day Japan surrendered…but what a price…

And there is another article entitled, “Where is heaven?” John Paul II mused on it. Where heaven is cannot be defined by the Church.

And there is one out there I have to search more in why the name Trinity was used…probably selected by J. Robert Oppenheimer, a student of HIndu writings…who after seeing the first test, July 16, 1945,…“We are Become as Gods…”

 

[josephdaniel29]

Us, the Greek Orthodox…

Not exactly.

 

[JonNC]

Besides Catholics, who else celebrates this festival? If not why?

Happy feast to all who celebrate this festival

We, too, celebrate the Blessed Virgin on Aug. 15, though not in the same way Catholics do.
lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=761

Belief in the assumption is not required of Lutherans, but of this, Luther said,
“There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.”

Jon

 

[KathleenGee]

The Catholic Church does not know if Mary died. It does not know the circumstances.

And the Orthodox believe in the Dormition of Mary. They call her Mary Theotokis…the Catholic Church will not go that far with the title but we have the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of Jesus on January 1…the differences sound like brethren differences…

 

[josephdaniel29]

The Catholic Church does not know if Mary died. It does not know the circumstances.

And the Orthodox believe in the Dormition of Mary. They call her Mary Theotokis…the Catholic Church will not go that far with the title but we have the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of Jesus on January 1…the differences sound like brethren differences…

That’s not true. The Catholic Church calls Mary Theotokos. It is a dogma of the faith.

In Christ
Joe

 

[KathleenGee]

I know what you are saying…I have heard from several priests – at Mass – that we don’t call her Theotokis…but ironically we have her feast day January 1— solemnity of Mary, Mother of Christ…of course he is God…so that Makes Mary Mother Of God…

There is something missing here…do I have to go ask the priests what the issue is???

Orthodox/Catholic…no difference to me…I was quoting pastors…just like it has not been formally defined Mary is Mediatrix…Mary Full of Grace through whom all graces and blessings of Jesus Christ flow through to our humanity…

AND…the pastor of our church has the icon of Theotokis in our chapel… in the very place where he made his remarks…

no more comment here…

 

[josephdaniel29]

I know what you are saying…I have heard from several priests – at Mass – that we don’t call her Theotokis…but ironically we have her feast day January 1— solemnity of Mary, Mother of Christ…of course he is God…so that Makes Mary Mother Of God

It may not be a term commonly used by Latin Catholics but it is in fact a dogma of the Catholic Church that she is to be called Theotokos, or “God-Bearer.” It was formally defined as dogma at the Third Ecumenical Council against the heresy of Nestorius who refused to call her Theotokos, but instead called her Christotokos. It is essentially a Christological statement confirming the Hypostatic Union (two full natures united in one person).

Yours in Christ
Joe

 

[KathleenGee]

Thanks Joe…

Where I come from, it is an obvious contradiction…and we are at present putting in Byzantine icons all over the church…However, I am not worried about it.

 

[Araninski]

Well I don’t certainly celebrate the feast of assumption since, I don’t believe it.

But anyways she is saved thanks to her faith on our Savior Jesus Christ, we must as Mary rejoice and glorify Him in all the ways we can possibly do it, and congratulate her for being so blessed by the Lord. The Lord has done great things for us all who believe in Him.

Luke 1:46-49

Mary’s Song
And Mary said:
"My soul glorifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.

God bless!

 

[BrianH]

It is the Marian dogma that has the least amount of historical support in my studies. And yes, I studied. I suppose I could only belong to a group that it is not required belief.

 

[KathleenGee]

Well, Brian, there are places in Scripture that say some day we will be glorified after we are purged of sin…Mary and Christ were without sin and they were resurrected…

 

[Nicea325]

It is the Marian dogma that has the least amount of historical support in my studies. And yes, I studied. I suppose I could only belong to a group that it is not required belief.

So that is sufficient enough to make it false? Where is the concrete historical and empirical evidence Matthew really wrote Matthew?

 

[jakasaki]

Not exactly.

All right - maybe I’m stupid -

How is the Feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos different from the Catholics, Assumption of the Blessed Mother Mary.

Perhaps I need to be educated.

 

[josephdaniel29]

All right - maybe I’m stupid -

How is the Feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos different from the Catholics, Assumption of the Blessed Mother Mary.

Perhaps I need to be educated.

Well you are a long way from stupid my friend.

The two feasts are very close but not exactly the same. The Assumption celebrates her being assumed bodily into heaven and is somewhat ambiguous as to whether or not she actually died. The Dormition, or Koímēsis celebrates her death (or “falling asleep”) and her glorification. We are completely unambiguous as to the fact that she actually died.

To Catholics she is the great exception to the rest of humanity, being immaculately conceived. For us she is the great example. She had to trample down death by death just like her Son did, and just as each of us will have to do. The only way to be resurrected with Christ is to die with Him and she shows us the perfect example. She shows us exactly what our destiny is by living the perfect Christian life and dying the perfect Christian death.

At least that’s how I understand it.

In Christ
Joe

 

[jakasaki]

Well you are a long way from stupid my friend.

The two feasts are very close but not exactly the same. The Assumption celebrates her being assumed bodily into heaven and is somewhat ambiguous as to whether or not she actually died. The Dormition, or Koímēsis celebrates her death (or “falling asleep”) and her glorification. We are completely unambiguous as to the fact that she actually died.

To Catholics she is the great exception to the rest of humanity, being immaculately conceived. For us she is the great example. She had to trample down death by death just like her Son did, and just as each of us will have to do. The only way to be resurrected with Christ is to die with Him and she shows us the perfect example. She shows us exactly what our destiny is by living the perfect Christian life and dying the perfect Christian death.

At least that’s how I understand it.

In Christ
Joe

Thanks for the explaination…

I now conclude that I am stupid…

You see…

In my pee-wee-brain- what you wrote about the Orthodox & Catholics is the same although the wording and beliefs & traditions are different…

Me, coming from a family of Orthodox & Catholics, the whole thing is baffling to me.

It’s like …we never sit there & compare to agree or disagee on these things.

Perhaps this is the reason I only participate on the islamic threads & **hardly **ever on the Orthodox VS Catholic.



Thanks much…

 

[BrianH]

So that is sufficient enough to make it false? Where is the concrete historical and empirical evidence Matthew really wrote Matthew?

Well first, I do not know that Matthew did write Matthew but there is more evidence than the Assumption. Matthew’s authorship is attested to in the 2nd century.

Ephiphanius wrote a very strongly and articulate defense of Mary in his book Panarion in 377 ADish. He is an ardent defender of her perpetual virginity. But when it comes to what happened at the end, this bishop, this author states

The holy virgin may have died and been buried-her falling asleep was with honor, her death in purity, her crown in virginity. Or she may have been put to death. Or she may have remained alive, for God is not incapable of doing what he wills. No one knows her end.

Its on page 619 of that work. Its hard to find online but can be with some searching.