Federal Income Tax

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I wanted to know if Christians are morally obligated to pay the federal income tax? Now before people actually post the CCC regarding Christians being obligated to pay taxes I think one should remember that the Federal Income Tax is a voluntary tax that if imposed would be unconstitutional. Contrary to popular belief the Federal Income Tax does NOT fund our government because if it did how did our government survive from 1776 to 1913 without it? The Federal Income Tax supports the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve is about as Federal as Federal Express. Plus there is no law anywhere stating that I have to pay the Federal Income Tax and if you disagree please provide me with the actual law so I can be corrected.

Now as a Christian am I obligated to fund private banks and if so why? If not then am I doing the right thing by not paying the Federal Income Tax since I would be doing my part in riding my Country of the private banks which have enslaved it?
 
Yes I would think that what is noted in the CCC and the Compendium of Social Doctrine does include the Fed. Income Tax. History has nothing to do with it.
 
But the Federal Income Tax is a voluntary tax so if there isn’t a law then I shouldn’t be obligated to pay it right?
 
…one should remember that the Federal Income Tax is a voluntary tax that if imposed would be unconstitutional.
Indeed? Have you ever tried not paying your income tax? I think a lot of people with power will disagree with you on that point.
 
There are actually a lot of people that do not pay their income tax and were unjustly put in prison for it. The IRS does not define the word “income” in their internal revenue code however the Supreme Court has and they define it as CORPERATE profit and gains.

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Eisner vs. Macomber
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252 U.S. 189 pg 205 (1920) The Sixteenth Amendment must be construed
in connection with the taxing clauses of the original Constitution and the effect attributed to them before the Amendment was adopted. In
Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan and Trust
  • it was held that* taxes upon rents and profits of real estate and upon returns from investments of personal property were in effect direct taxes upon the property from which the income arose,
***imposed by reason of ownership; and that ***
Congress could not impose such taxes without apportioning them among the states according to population, as required by Art 1 Sect. 2 Cl. 3 and Sect. 9 Cl. 4 of the original Constitution.
Afterwards
,* and evidently* ***in recognition of the limitations upon the taxing power of Congress thus determined, the Sixteenth Amendment was adopted: ***. . . As repeatedly held, this did not extend the taxing power to new subjects, but merely removed the necessity which might otherwise exist for an apportionment among the states of taxes laid on income. . . . it becomes essential to distinguish between what is and what is not "income’, as the term is there used;
***After examining dictionaries in common use we find little to add to the ***succinct definition adopted in two cases arising under the Corporation (Excise) Tax Act of 1909 (Stratton’s Independence v. Howbert 231 US 399, 415; Doyle v. Mitchell Bros. Co. 247 US 179, 185)
"Income may be defined as the gain derived from capital
, from labor, or from both combined
", provided it be understood to include profit gained through a sale or conversion of capital assets,to which it was applied in the Doyle case pp. 183, 185.
*“Derived – from – capital”; – "*the gain – derived – from – capital," etc. Here we have the essential matter: not a gain accruing to capital, not a growth or increment of value in the investment; but a gain, a profit, something of exchangeable value proceeding from the property, severed from the capital however invested or employed, and coming in, being “derived,” that is, received or drawn by the recipient (the Taxpayer) for his separate use, benefit and disposal; – that is income derived from property. Nothing else answers the description.
That Congress has power to tax stockholders upon their property interests in the stock of corporations is beyond question;
and that such interests might be valued in view of the condition of the company, including its accumulated and undivided profits, is equally clear.
But this would be taxation of property because of ownership, and hence would require apportionment
under the provisions of the Constitution, is settled beyond peradventure by previous decisions of this court.

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Merchants’ Loan & Trust Co. v. Smietanka
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255 U.S. 509 (1921) "It is obvious that these decisions in principle rule the case at bar if the word “income” has the same meaning in the Income Tax Act of 1913 that it had in the Corporation Excise Tax Act of 1909,
and that it has the same scope of meaning was in effect decided
*in Southern Pacific Co. v. Lowe 247 U.S. 330, 335, where it was assumed for the purposes of decision that **there was no difference in its meaning as used in the act of 1909 and in the Income Tax Act of 1913. ***
There can be no doubt that the word must be given the same meaning and content **in the Income Tax Acts of 1916 and 1917 that it had in the act of 1913. **When to this we add that in Eisner v. Macomber, supra, a case arising under the same Income Tax Act of 1916 which is here involved, the definition of “income” which was applied was adopted from Strattons’ Independence v. Howbert, arising under the Corporation Excise Tax Act of 1909, with the addition that it should include “profit gained through sale or conversion of capital assets,” there would seem to be no room to doubt that the word must be given the same meaning in all the Income Tax Acts of Congress that was given to it in the Corporation Excise Tax Act, and that what that meaning is has now become definitely settled by decisions of this Court."
 
Clearly I’m not a corporation and I have not received any profits or gains from the corporation I work for so why do I have to pay a tax on my wages? The Supreme Court says I don’t have to so why is this tax being enforced on me by my government? If I follow the Supreme Courts definition regarding income and apply that to the IRS then I’m not obligated by law to pay the Federal Income Tax.
 
I am not going to go research all the background of our current income taxes.

It is clear from that April deadline each year and those handy little booklets we get sent on how to file our income taxes that such is expected of us.

If you have a tax question contact the IRS et al.
 
Jesus paid taxes to the occupying Roman empire. We are obliged to pay taxes that are not sinful regardless of legality. The IRS’ graduated income tax is not a regressive tax as will be–and I say “will” as being prophesied–the universal sales tax of the Mark of the Beast economic system. Here’s the probable scenario. Tax snerts will demand a “fair” tax–actually a regressive tax that hurts the poor–of a universal sales tax that is the same for all. It will harm the poor who can less easily afford higher taxes on food and other goods.

It may have a value-added component, i.e., at each stage of processing, tax is added. Wood is cut and the buyer taxed. Wood is milled and the buyer taxed. Wood is shaped and the buyer taxed. This is what is eating Europe alive, the VAT tax. “Fair” tax will lead to rampant black market lawlessness versus the manageable undercurrent of tax cheats and black market activity today. Shops will be charged taxes for inventory received regardless of shoplifting or shrinkage from employee theft. Jack-booted thugs will pester every business. The black market growth will flourish, engendering violence on the order of Prohibition years. Government fighting black marketeers; black marketeers fighting each other…

Then, to control this black market, people will be offered R.F.I.D. implants, already on the market and promoted by Tommy Thompson et alii. This is the tax we are obliged to refuse as this radio frequency I.D. implant will seem to create great freedom from having keys, I.D.'s, passports, credit cards, cash; and will actually be electronic slavery. As a sin against the Holy Spirit, taking the Mark of the Beast to buy and sell is an unforgivable sin; and it will create a “grievous boil”, probably the cancerous reaction of radio waves constantly beamed at tissue.

Got the guts to starve instead of taking the Mark of the Beast? Monsignor Harper, Ozark storyteller and wise pastor, counseled praying that we will have the fortitude to endure and not presume our character is such to prevail on our own. To that end…May the Most High God grant us the patience needed to attain Heaven and refuse the pressure and temptation of the world, the flesh and the devil. AMEN
 
I am not going to go research all the background of our current income taxes.

It is clear from that April deadline each year and those handy little booklets we get sent on how to file our income taxes that such is expected of us.

If you have a tax question contact the IRS et al.
If the IRS is imposing taxes on the people that did not receive income according to what the definition of “income” is and has been ruled by the Supreme Court to be then the IRS is committing a crime.

Also this is a tax question that came to mind after going to the IRS since they could not show me any law that requires me to pay the Federal Income Tax other than the one they have which is not applicable to me according to the definition of what the Supreme Court ruled “income” to be.
 
Jesus paid taxes to the occupying Roman empire. We are obliged to pay taxes that are not sinful regardless of legality.
This is not true since Christ paid a tax which was imposed by law. The Federal Income Tax is not a tax that can be imposed by law on individuals who have not received corporate profit and gains. This would mean the Federal Income Tax is one that is voluntary and not paying it would be also following the law.

For example you are not morally obligate to pay me if I came to your house and tell you to pay a tax which is not by law supposed to be imposed on you. If you say you are morally obligated then your basically saying you are morally obligated to submit to thieves.
 
But the Federal Income Tax is a voluntary tax so if there isn’t a law then I shouldn’t be obligated to pay it right?
You may want to consult with Wesley Snipes on it being “voluntary” … I believe he was released from prison recently…
 
You may want to consult with Wesley Snipes on it being “voluntary” … I believe he was released from prison recently…
Please read the entire thread before you respond. If you did you would see that this proves nothing.
 
Hopefully you will research this topic in the future. Thank you for your time.
No need to research it. It is rather clear in my mind that we are expected to pay income taxes as explained each year in the booklet issued for that fateful day in April.

I have no doubt that I am obliged to pay such.

The early Christians by the way …were noted for paying their taxes. Even to those who persecuted them.

Take care! (and your welcome.)

BC
 
docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

I don’t have the time to do extensive research on something of this nature - especially when I am here to ‘learn’ about being Catholic and what is expected of me.

In Matthew 22:15-22 talks about this. Basically, Jesus said to repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.

For anyone to try to shrink away from their tax obligations (what belongs to Caesar) - it makes me wonder when these people will try to shrink away from their obligations to God (what belongs to God).

I worked for years in Financial Accounting. Filing tax returns AND paying any taxes owed are the law of the land. When people don’t file on time - or don’t pay their taxes owed (for whatever reason) - they are punished. These people have tax liens places on their personal assets - accrue interest and penalties for the entire period that the debt is outstanding - and some even go to prison.

Wesley Snipes was a good example. 😃

It’s just like the cure for cancer - if it were true then many would know about it - not just a few who are looking to make a bunch of money. If it was truly only ‘voluntary’ to pay taxes - I can assure you that no one would be paying and it would be common knowledge.

The taxation system is not some conspiracy that is out to get you.
 
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