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JamesTheJust
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How exactly is pointing out that you committed the agumentum ad populum (bandwagon) fallacy absurd? You’ve lost me.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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What we have to do is not get all worked up over what the laws of the land are.
If one is against gay marriage, that one should vote against it, but if it happens
anyway, what that one has to do then (whether it happens or not) is tell of what
God wants instead. The Word of God is not a ranting voice in the street telling
of how immoral gay marriage and so forth are, but it should be an inviting call
to repentance and the lifestyle which God would prefer for the homosexuals
who don’t necessarily have a choice over their “preference.”
We can’t stop homosexual conduct by means state legalism and such, but
only with the Gospel. “Federal judge overturns Utah’s ban on gay marriage,”
BIG DEAL, what are we going to do about? Public demonstrations, political
speeches, spawn hypothetical myths on what would happen if gay marriage
was allowed? No, just bring everyone to God, then let God work with them.
If one is against gay marriage, that one should vote against it, but if it happens
anyway, what that one has to do then (whether it happens or not) is tell of what
God wants instead. The Word of God is not a ranting voice in the street telling
of how immoral gay marriage and so forth are, but it should be an inviting call
to repentance and the lifestyle which God would prefer for the homosexuals
who don’t necessarily have a choice over their “preference.”
We can’t stop homosexual conduct by means state legalism and such, but
only with the Gospel. “Federal judge overturns Utah’s ban on gay marriage,”
BIG DEAL, what are we going to do about? Public demonstrations, political
speeches, spawn hypothetical myths on what would happen if gay marriage
was allowed? No, just bring everyone to God, then let God work with them.
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ARSpade
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Not recognize, but perform. Or at least try to force the service to take place inside the church building.
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_Abyssinia
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You can find those that disagree with the conclusions or methdology of Mark Regenerus’ study, but can’t you find people that disagree or agree with all of the studies on outcomes for children?
Professor Cynthia Osborne says Regnerus’ study ‘is solid and makes a valuable contribution to the field.’ She said, ‘the Regnerus study is more scientifically rigorous that most of the other studies in this area’ and ‘provides convincing evidence that various adult outcomes are associated with having a parent who had a same-sex relationship.’ She says, his findings ‘contradict the ‘no difference’ claim of the American Psychological Association’s Brief on Lesbian and Gay Parenting’
utexas.edu/cola/centers/prc/directory/faculty/co763
Paul Amato said, ‘In contrast to most prior studies, the Regnerus study has adequate statistical power for most comparisons.’ He says, ‘the Regnerus study is better situated than virtually all previous studies to detect difference between these groups *’
pop.psu.edu/directory/pxa6
David Eggebeen says that Professor Regnerus’ study ‘does not prove anything’ in terms of causation, but does ‘offer reasonable arguments for…[showing] more caution when drawing strong conclusions based on the available science’
hhdev.psu.edu/hdfs/directory/bio.aspx?id=124
27 social scientists defended Regnerus’ research
baylorisr.org/wp-content/uploads/Potter.pdf
Louisiana State University researcher Loren Marks has said
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000580*
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_Abyssinia
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Would you thought 5 years that Catholic and other institutions opposed to birth control and abortifacients would try to be forced by government to pay for them?
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LisaA
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Trust me, if militant gays think not getting the wedding cake they want or the photographer they want or the venue they want is worth engaging in lawsuits, protests, and hateful communications on social media, they are salivating at the thought of taking on the Church. One chip at a time against the freedoms our country was founded upon. And all so they can claim equivalency with heterosexual relationships, not because there aren’t alternatives…like the baker down the street or another photographer…
It amazes me the lengths they will go to, to promote the ability to publicly declare what sexual activities they prefer. Sexuality has gone from what (some) people do, into a primary identifier. An interesting set of priorities and peculiar source of pride
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EmperorNapoleon
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Those claims have been circulating for years. Thorough research demonstrates that, for example, opposite-sex marriage was on the decline in Scandinavia years before same-sex marriage was legalized. No correlation between opposite-sex marriage rates and the legalization of same-sex marriage has ever been established let alone causation.
The author admits in paragraph two that it is just opinion and not based on any scientific data.
More to come.
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gnosisofthomas
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I’m just curious, has the Catholic Church ever been forced by a lawsuit to perform marriages for divorced people?
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EmperorNapoleon
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It hasn’t happened yet nor will it ever. If that is an actual concern people have then the solution is simple; don’t violate public accommodation law.
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JamesTheJust
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- References? Links? Citations, at least?
- He didn’t say it was an opinion. He said it was an educated theory, not a paper based on mass empirical data, because we can’t have that yet. See post #197 for the many praises the paper has received.
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EmperorNapoleon
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Here’s an article which sums it up nicely.
Its always convenient to make unabashedly wild claims with no evidence to support them. They only convince people who already held those opinions. I can’t take someone seriously when they openly state that they are making an inference and that said inference is baseless in the same paragraph. No matter how its dressed up; its still just an unfounded opinion.
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JamesTheJust
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Here’s an article which sums it up nicely.
Its always convenient to make unabashedly wild claims with no evidence to support them. They only convince people who already held those opinions. I can’t take someone seriously when they openly state that they are making an inference and that said inference is baseless in the same paragraph. No matter how its dressed up; its still just an unfounded opinion.
- I need a direct refutation. When two studies have opposing conclusions, it’s a “he said vs she said” argument, until one is directly refuted.
- It’s not a baseless inference. It’s an educated theory. We can’t do any better until we have mass empirical data.
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SeannyM
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The tenth circuit denied it today… an early Christmas gift for many in Utah.
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KimberlyCat
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I am friends with a gay couple who have been together for 27 years. They were telling me of another gay couple who just celebrated their 40th anniversary. Makes me think that gay couples are more stable than most heterosexual couples whose divorce rate is 51% in the U.S. I love this couple and they have been wonderful friends to me over the years. But I’m sorry…when I see them kiss or hold hands it makes me want to vomit and they know that and make an effort to do so in front of me. It’s all in good fun though. I was in line at the grocery store once with a lesbian couple in front of me and they were “making out”. Oh my. 
Overall I would say “to each their own”.
Overall I would say “to each their own”.
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SeannyM
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When those praises come from groups that have been seeking a “scientist” to come to his conclusion so they can use it in court to undermine their opponents’ case, then they are meaningless.
About the links you posted, I clicked on two of them… one mentioned the study that was commissioned by the Witherspoon Institute… and the other was an article by the author of that exact same study… I stopped there, because I can’t dedicate the time to reading what amounts to basically the same group, The Family Research Counsel, touting the results of their bogus “study” that has been refuted by literally every reputable researcher who’s reviewed it.
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LisaA
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Yes just as the previous studies claiming gay parents didn’t create issues for the children they purchased, bred or adopted were simply wild claims based on unscientific self reporting, often by friends of the supposed “scientists” who were making the claim. It becomes dueling studies and each of us is likely to accept the findings of the study that best represent our viewpoint.Here’s an article which sums it up nicely.
Its always convenient to make unabashedly wild claims with no evidence to support them. They only convince people who already held those opinions. I can’t take someone seriously when they openly state that they are making an inference and that said inference is baseless in the same paragraph. No matter how its dressed up; its still just an unfounded opinion.
However it doesn’t take a study to prove that same sex “marriage” is not the equivalent of traditional marriage. Calling it the same doesn’t make it so. People have the right to make the kind of contractual and financial arrangements that work for them and their families, friends and partners. No one is stopping this nor is anyone stopping gays who have found churches willing to “marry” them from doing so.
No matter how many court cases the Lavender Mafia wins, they cannot change basic biology or the rules of nature. No same sex arrangement has the capacity to create life and in that traditional marriage will always be differentiated regardless of rainbow flags and bumper stickers.
Ya’ll don’t fool me. I learned birds and bees at about age nine.
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DoGodsBidding
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Not a Christmas gift. Christmas recognizes the birth of Christ. This ruling is against Christ’s truth. How sad.
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HappyCatholic01
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articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-12-23/news/bs-md-co-little-sisters-lawsuit-20131222_1_catholic-bishops-federal-health-care-law-requirement/2
If anyone believes the forces of Satan aren’t coming for the Churches next, they haven’t been paying attention to Scripture or what our Church has taught forever.
Evil will NEVER stop. Who do you think is behind anything that opposes God? There are two primary forces in this universe good, which is all of God’s will, and evil, which is a result of Satan’s desires. That’s it.
You’re either on one side, or the other. Every single thing in history that did not serve God’s agenda was tied in some way, shape or form to Satan. Contraceptive mandates and homosexuals making a mockery of God and marriage are all spun out of Satan’s desires.
He wants us all dead and gone, and our faith destroyed. So tell me again Catholics, why this won’t ever hit our Churches?
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epan
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Well… Christ was silent on the topic, as far as we know.
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