Federal Judge Says San Francisco's Labeling of Catholics as "Hateful" is Constitution

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You have not defined evidence other than to state a preference for unexamined opinions. Any evidence provided you simply fall back on the propaganda canard. Several links have been provided, several studies have shown that the lifestyle is statistically destructive. I do not want to gamble with Children to suit adults’ selfish desires. That you do should give you pause to aslso reasses your values while I do the same
What are you talking about? I never said I prefer “unexamined opinions.” Stop inventing silly games.

I have not seen any double-blind scientifically administered studies cited. All I have seen is a link to an article in far right wing publication that makes some blanket statements.
 
Church used, and worked in concert with, local governments to carry out the torture and murders. The governmental actors were all Church members. The Church dominated all facets of life back then. Any governmentals actors brave enough to defy the Church would be deemed heretics and tortured. It was McCarthyism to a violent and ubiquitious extreme. The torturing would not have happened but for the “crime” of heresy. Feel better about the torture now and the Church’s involvement?
How many people died during the Inquistion? Did people prefer to be held and tried by the courts of the Inquisition or be tried by Civil Authorities?
 
Sacred Scripture condemns homosexual acts “as a serious depravity… (cf. Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10). This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered”.(5) This same moral judgment is found in many Christian writers of the first centuries(6) and is unanimously accepted by Catholic Tradition.
Nonetheless, according to the teaching of the Church, men and women with homosexual tendencies “must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided”.(7) They are called, like other Christians, to live the virtue of chastity.(8) The homosexual inclination is however “objectively disordered”(9) and homosexual practices are “sins gravely contrary to chastity”.(10)
From the document entitled: CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS
 
Can you ctell us what the problems with the studies they cited were? Or are they flawed merely becuase you disagree with the results?

Can you cite evididence that the sexual behavior of a childs parents has no impact on them?
Can you cite evidence that anyone’s sexual behavior has an impact on a child?

Are nuns unqualified to raise children because they don’t have heterosexual (or any) sex?
 
Can you cite evidence that anyone’s sexual behavior has an impact on a child?

Are nuns unqualified to raise children because they don’t have heterosexual (or any) sex?
I already did as have several others. You dimised them all bercuase they didnt agree with you OPINION.
 
Can we get back to the real issue? The Constitutional issue is separate from the question of Catholic teaching regarding homosexuality and whether active homosexuals are suitable parents.
The Law Center’s lawsuit claimed that the City’s anti-Catholic resolution violated the First Amendment, which "forbids an official purpose to disapprove of a particular religion, religious beliefs, or of religion in general." The Law Center argued that the “anti-Catholic resolution sends a clear message to Plaintiffs and others who are faithful adherents to the Catholic faith that they are outsiders, not full members of the political community and an accompanying message that those who oppose Catholic religious beliefs, particularly with regard to homosexual unions and adoptions by homosexual partners, are insiders, favored members of the political community.”
In her decision upholding the resolution against the Law Center’s constitutional challenge, the federal judge defended the City by essentially claiming that the Church invited the attack by publicly expressing its teaching on moral issues. In her written opinion, the judge stated, "The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith provoked this debate, indeed may have invited entanglement, by its [doctrinal] statement. This court does not find that our case law requires political bodies to remain silent in the face of this provocation."
The argument on the part of the judge is laughable, at best. How can the Church invite entanglement by making a doctrinal statement? This is ridiculous.

I think the only proper actions the city can take is to cut off any public funding Catholic Charities that is in their control. This, I believe would be acceptable. To condemn a religion by passing this resolution is indeed a violation of the First Amendment.

There are other places to adopt a child, so there is no reason to condemn Catholics for following their faith in the adoption process.
What are you talking about? I never said I prefer “unexamined opinions.” Stop inventing silly games.

I have not seen any double-blind scientifically administered studies cited. All I have seen is a link to an article in far right wing publication that makes some blanket statements.
 
Church used, and worked in concert with, local governments to carry out the torture and murders. The governmental actors were all Church members. The Church dominated all facets of life back then. Any governmentals actors brave enough to defy the Church would be deemed heretics and tortured. It was McCarthyism to a violent and ubiquitious extreme. The torturing would not have happened but for the “crime” of heresy. Feel better about the torture now and the Church’s involvement?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Give it a read. Realize also that its violence is DWARFED by the religous purges in England and France. Realize also that the inquisition as an intellectual term went through many different incarnations none of them match your description though. Modern secularism that seeks to demonize Christianity and falsify the good she does portrays and exaggerates her foibles. Her enemies never tire of repeating the same old myths.

Honest scholarship is the cure here.
 
By the way, McCarthyism as you’ve been spoonfed isn’t the McCarthyism that actually was either. Do you know there actually were communist spies? And they did actually betray our nuclear secrets to the Russians? And put the world on the course of MAD?
 
How many people died during the Inquistion? Did people prefer to be held and tried by the courts of the Inquisition or be tried by Civil Authorities?
Many were executed or died of torture. Many more were tortured and “confessed.” What is your point?
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Give it a read. Realize also that its violence is DWARFED by the religous purges in England and France. Realize also that the inquisition as an intellectual term went through many different incarnations none of them match your description though. Modern secularism that seeks to demonize Christianity and falsify the good she does portrays and exaggerates her foibles. Her enemies never tire of repeating the same old myths.

Honest scholarship is the cure here.
So torture and murder are insignificant if higher number of people are murdered somewhere else for a different reason? Inquisition was the kangaroo court trial of people for “heresy.” There’s nothing very intellectual about that. People were killed and tortured during Medievel times for heresy. Call it what you want, it’s not a myth.

By most standards, the records of the Spanish Inquisition are spectacularly good and a treasure trove for social historians as they record many details about ordinary people. Nothing like all the files have been analysed but from the third looked at so far, it seems the Inquisition, operating through out the Spanish Empire, executed about 700 people between 1540 and 1700 out of a total of 49,000 cases. It is also reckoned that they probably killed about two thousand during the first fifty years of operation when persecution against Jews and Moslems was at its most severe. This would give a total figure of around 5,000 for the entire three hundred year period of its operation.

(Source: page 526, Parker)
 
The answer is yes. the Church will not place a child with someone who is living a sinful life. That is why extensive background checks are done on anyone who wants to adopt. They will not, BTW, place a child with a man and a woman who are living togehter and not married
Really? Do those background checks determine if one loves their neighbor? Or if one skips church?
 
You have no interst in reasoned debate here? Handedness has nothing to do with parenting, but sexual identity and the relationship expressed by the parents is visible to the child. Gender identification is well recognized to have an impact on the child’s development. Are you seriously denying that?
I am seriously denying that. From what I have read, there is no evidence to support the belief that a child raised by two same sexed parents has any greater gender identification issues than anyone else.
 
Re: The Inquisition - get the FAQ’s

It was an improvement at the time.
Good link. I just posted a piece of it before I saw this.

The Church’s dominance during the era contributed to a lot of ignorance (books were banned as your cite mentions) people were persecuted and scientific advancement was on hold for a long time. Were in not for this unfortunate piece of our history characterized by a lack of scientific advancement, computers might have been invented in the 1800s.
 
I am seriously denying that. From what I have read, there is no evidence to support the belief that a child raised by two same sexed parents has any greater gender identification issues than anyone else.
If it did, I would be gay. I am not.
 
Can we get back to the real issue? The Constitutional issue is separate from the question of Catholic teaching regarding homosexuality and whether active homosexuals are suitable parents.

The argument on the part of the judge is laughable, at best. How can the Church invite entanglement by making a doctrinal statement? This is ridiculous.

I think the only proper actions the city can take is to cut off any public funding Catholic Charities that is in their control. This, I believe would be acceptable. To condemn a religion by passing this resolution is indeed a violation of the First Amendment.

There are other places to adopt a child, so there is no reason to condemn Catholics for following their faith in the adoption process.
The “doctrinal statement” reflects discriminatory attitudes.

I agree with the notion of public funding. I think the Church should have to pay income tax as well.
 
I already did as have several others. You dimised them all bercuase they didnt agree with you OPINION.
Within your line of reasoning though, placing children with nuns would do violence to the children because the nuns don’t have heterosexual sex.
 
The “doctrinal statement” reflects discriminatory attitudes.

I agree with the notion of public funding. I think the Church should have to pay income tax as well.
It doesn’t matter if the “doctrinal statement” reflects what the city thinks is discriminatory. Are they also going to condemn the Church for not allowing women priests, and then tell the Archbishop he should ignore the Vatican on that as well?

The city needs to butt out. As far as income tax, I don’t believe we should start taxing non-profit organizations and certainly not religious institutions.
 
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