Felt uncompfortable by an offer from two good friends

[daeve]

daeve,
If you search on CAF you’ll find Fr. Vincent Serpa dealing with a situation where a person was surrounded by his great homosexual friends. In his reply he insisted or just came right out and said, “You need to find new friends”. This is that kind of situation. Stop being so naive. It ebmarrasses me to find people don’t form their conciences within the realm of reality. We are told to stay away from sinful people. Noting new under the sun. Now if you’re in the business of tampering with sin then you’re not doing right. It’s really that simple but yes we could get into the deep discussion.

This person is obviously in a weakened state and not thinking rationally or just pulling our leg. Word chioces. And a Catholic that is so far gone that they don’t know objective truth? Bazaar. However, this is the place to learn.

I know about the stage types, I have an aunt that was in the USO and now won’t touch the stage finding out many of the ways of that world to be quite sinful. This person is just playing with fire and needs to find new REAL friends that won’t take advantage of her. I’m still not convinced that this is real. If it is, she is one sick puppy in need of serious catechesis. We don’t know the entire story. Could the boyfriend have left because this woman has such a darkened conscience to be so willing to overlook the behavior of such people. I was very naive too and understand to some degree. But her word choices are what bother me…
“to bring more pleasure”…rather that something a little more objectionable like so that her husband could do it with 2 women… Thinking about it just brings the gut feeling that I’m right on this. I trust my gut feeling over anyone that thinks having friends so openly corrupt is okay. Sorry but no cigar for you.

Go pray a year of Rosaries, say the divine liturgy, sit through a year of RCIA, read your bible at least 5 times and come back with that answer. I’m praying for you too as I do all Catholics and those seeking truth.

Sorry if I sound offensive, but someone has to stand up for the weak and vulnerable. That is the kind of **** that caused my spiritual director to make a pass on me, the bishop to ignore so that it would go away and me to end up running for my life trying to hang on to a broken faith to save my soul. Pull your head out of your duffle bag and see what’s happening around you for ignoring objective truth. I guess you’ll tell me that there are many paths that lead to heaven next ? We are to preach the gospel always by our example. One example is to avoid vulgarity or people living a vulgar life like this trying to recruit like many sexual preditors do. We should also protect ourselves.

Wilma, if you are really telling the truth, then sweety, get as far away from these people as you can get. Just trust me on this and PM Fr. Vincent Serpa with this issue if you are sincere. Get back to church and follow the teachings of your faith. I assume you’re Catholic since you’re on here. If so, go to confession and get right with God. Talk to your pastor about this. Don’t look for a liberal priest or something knucklehead like that. That will only make things worse. Seek Christ.

PAX Christi tecum.

Praying for you.

You are offensive and I am far from naive. I’m also not very impressionable. I’ve had friends…people I truly care about and who care about me…who are homosexual since I was in my early 20s. I did not hesitate to bring them to my parents’ home to meet my family, or to my own home later when I had children. I can tell someone who is safe to be around, and someone who isn’t. I’ve know heterosexual people who had loose morals, but respected the fact that I didn’t and didn’t care to hear about their exploits. If they didn’t, I would sever that relationship.

I will continue seeing the people I choose to see, unless I determine they are detrimental to my well-being.

If the OP prefers not to continue this friendship, that’s her business. If she does, that’s also her business.

 

[daeve]

I’m begining to think there is a trio taking place on this board with 3 leaning towards the same goal… If you haven’t been to church in a while or just pop in once in a while…you’re not ready to be a good example to anyone. Get you’re own life right first…then if the Holy Spirit guides you to a more serious ministry in setting good example you can answer that call. But so far the judgement exhibit so far is one of extreme immaturity and a serious lack of a well formed conscience.

I’m thouroughly … well bad vibes from this… I’ll leave it alone.

Lord have mercy on me a sinner. PAX

ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME? My life is fine, thank you, and I am an excellent example of a faithful devout Catholic who can still love the sinner while hating the sin. Don’t you dare suggest ANYTHING about my life, maturity or conscience.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Your idea of holiness is to run away from anything that might not be holy, no matter its possible intent? You follow the Christ by refusing to associate with the kind of people he ate and drank with, loved and taught and protected?

What an odd form of ‘Christianity’ you practice.

I don’t think Wilma appears to have the strength at this time to ‘save’ this couple. I think it is bad advice to have her remain close to that couple. She is vunerable at this time.

I don’t think that is being un-Christlike. But that’s just me.

 

[jrabs]

I don’t think Wilma appears to have the strength at this time to ‘save’ this couple. I think it is bad advice to have her remain close to that couple. She is vunerable at this time.

I don’t think that is being un-Christlike. But that’s just me.

I agree. At times we need to run from the near occasion of sin.

 

[vocatio]

ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME? My life is fine, thank you, and I am an excellent example of a faithful devout Catholic who can still love the sinner while hating the sin. Don’t you dare suggest ANYTHING about my life, maturity or conscience.

Okay. My suggestions is that the OP is so far fetched and seems so bazaar that I doubt that it is sincere. However, extending charity to consider it. The OP is very naive… Something tells me that you are not naive but rather obnoxious towards good advice. I also have many gay friends…however, hanging out with them on a regular basis is not advisable because of what you end up surrounding yourself with. If I were God I’d say a lot of things should be okay, however, neither you nor me are in that role and thankfully not.

However, it IS naive to think that it is okay for someone in a weakened state to continue to expose themselves to someone preying on them. This is classical and you obviously are not qualified to make this assessment. I know my wife is and she says the same thing I’m saying. I trust her criminal justice background more than yours. At least she worked in that field for a while. And when you’ve been a victim of a preditor we both draw from experience. So just bop yourself on the head and say “what a knucklehead I am.” I’m trying to joke around a little here so lighten up a bit.

I’m not a yearling myself. I went to the seminary and have seen more than I wished. Had it not been for my preditor I’d be a priest now. I ran like H. E. double toothpicks to get away and after 9 years finally bailed for 17 years into a religion that would ourwardly condemn you to your face just for taking up for someone like this. But I’m not like that. However, after feeling left unprotected by my own clergy I lost complete faith in my Church authority and came to beleive that they were in essence not saved either. I went where I thought I’d safe. BOY was I wrong. I never mentally stopped being Catholic…I just thought there were all going to hell What a knucklehead I was.

Good advice…take it or leave it. Stay away from people that will lead you down the road of distruction. If you are strong, make sure you keep your Ps and Qs in line. Don’t run amuck. Now if you go down that path out of curiosity, I feel terribly sorry for you. It saddens me to see people allow themselves to be reduced to nothing but a hunk of meat for the taking…sexually or whatever. It’s very sad. In fact, it brings tears to my eyes, because as strange as it is, I struggled to survive unwanted advances on me by a priest I looked up to. Thankfully, he’s no longer allowed to …he’s been laicized {sp?}. I even know where he is and located and sent him some pretty stern messges. Obviously he avoids me and I’m glad. I was 18 when that happened to me in 1980. Do the math…this event has virtually ruined my life. However, God has given me some really valuable talents that I mangage to support my domestic church.

I’m not homophobic either. I have no problem with homosexuals and frankly could fit right in there but I know what sin is and avoid it at all cost. All meaning I use my brain. Almost went back into the Army mentality. I’m obviously a little more rough around the edges now, but that is because I know what it is like to be taken advantage of…and I’m a man. I’ve been pinched, whistled at, cat called at, groaped, etc. I am not gay by any stretch of the imagination but somehow I believe that any person can easily fall into the sin of impurity with either male or female or whatever else is out there to taint you. We live in a sick world…JPII called it a “Culture of Death” for a reason.

We have free will. It bothers me to see young people be taken advantage of by those that would lead them down the wrong path. If mom and dad did not do a good job children are subject to fall quicker than those raised in a stable home. I’ve seen it far to much to be fooled or bullied into believing I’m wrong.

Prayers for you tonight.

 

[WilmaORTEGA]

I went to speak to the couple this morning and told them that I am not gonna join them in their sexual habits but that I would like to have them reevaluate their sexual habits and they said they would reevaluae their sexual habits.

 

[vocatio]

Right…[Bill Cosby voice from the story of Noah ]

 

[WilmaORTEGA]

Guys, my friends went to church with me this week and they said they really enjoyed it and will come more often.

I am glad they came to church with me and even though it is way,way,early to tell for sure, so far, they have respected my request to not give me no more offers like the one they gave me.

It is a small start but maybe a small start to them changing their lives for the better.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas and hope that everyone will have a great New Year’s!

 

[PBP]

Uhmmm…just say no !

 

[IvanKaramozov]

No. We practice genuine Christianity, that same one that takes Jesus’ words seriously:

GO AND SIN NO MORE!

We do not practice watered-down, “tolerant”, and PC Christianity, but one that gets us persecuted and mocked, just as Jesus said.

A little reading about the “sinners” Jesus ate and drank with will reveal that he NEVER “tolerated” their sin. They all reformed their lives, and sinned no more. We call a spade a spade, and a sin a sin, no more no less.

That’s how we can “read minds.”

That’s why atheists dislike some Christians, it’s not the morally, it’s the snobbish, arrogant tone