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God men and women to have different vocations.Women to bear children ,and men to the priesthood.Both vocations are very important in their own way and in different ways,but that being said women were not called to be priests .The Church affirms the equal dignity of women and men and is in no way lessing the role of women in the Church.But that being said if Our Lord intended to call women to the sacred priesthood ,he would done so with the original Apostles.
 
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If Jesus Christ had been around as such ‘today’ do you not think He would have moved with cultural climate and had some females as in his selected ‘team’ and therefore He himself if Popes had been created as thus would have demanded a female Pope by now given that Women are much more accepted cultural and we no longer hidden away as floral wallflowers but fulfill vital part of the community just as much men? He chose all male because that was the general accepted normality of that time and culture. But today in the Western World things are very very different and women are still sub ordinate in that we have only ever had one female prime minister (for better for worse-no comment) and you guys yet to have a female even. But women are much more accepted and allowed onto the Altar even in the Catholic Church and am asking out of real curosity do you not think that Jesus would have moved with the times and culture and yeh, may be in some Eastern Cultures where women really are still subordinate he have his work cut out but in the Western World the Pope would have been female by now never mind Priests and Bishops.

Please note that yeh, am anglican and I myself really am neither for or against female priests but the fact they are female would stop me going. But am simply interested why is it taken the Church so long to catch up with the real world and wonder if Jesus had been in Human form Charge and Pope existed as thus would he have ensured that Women had as equal chance and be in all ‘ranks’ of the Church given that the climate and culture he was in… Given that it was only women who cared for His Human Body after His death etc.

I am interested in what discussion may follow and I want the discussion to draw from both Biblical and the World of Today and How it is.
peace
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It was no accident that Jesus was born when he was. He could have waited for a culture more suited to our cultures idea of what is "right: had he wanted to. he chose not to.
 
englishredrose said:
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If Jesus Christ had been around as such ‘today’ do you not think He would have moved with cultural climate and had some females as in his selected ‘team’ and therefore He himself if Popes had been created as thus would have demanded a female Pope by now given that Women are much more accepted cultural and we no longer hidden away as floral wallflowers but fulfill vital part of the community just as much men? He chose all male because that was the general accepted normality of that time and culture. But today in the Western World things are very very different and women are still sub ordinate in that we have only ever had one female prime minister (for better for worse-no comment) and you guys yet to have a female even. But women are much more accepted and allowed onto the Altar even in the Catholic Church and am asking out of real curosity do you not think that Jesus would have moved with the times and culture and yeh, may be in some Eastern Cultures where women really are still subordinate he have his work cut out but in the Western World the Pope would have been female by now never mind Priests and Bishops.

Please note that yeh, am anglican and I myself really am neither for or against female priests but the fact they are female would stop me going. But am simply interested why is it taken the Church so long to catch up with the real world and wonder if Jesus had been in Human form Charge and Pope existed as thus would he have ensured that Women had as equal chance and be in all ‘ranks’ of the Church given that the climate and culture he was in… Given that it was only women who cared for His Human Body after His death etc.

I am interested in what discussion may follow and I want the discussion to draw from both Biblical and the World of Today and How it is.
peace
xxx
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The world of today has no bearing on this issue. The complete answer can be found here:

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html

Peace,
Ed
 
The Theology of the Sacred Priesthood is directly tied to the theology of the incarnation of Our Lord {as are all the Sacraments}.But the all male priesthood is result to the manhood of Christ .Just as the Church herself is always refered to as “her” the bride of Christ.So to be a priest of the Church is to share in his humanity in a deeper way.
 
englishredrose said:
Hello
If Jesus Christ had been around as such ‘today’ do you not think He would have moved with cultural climate and had some females as in his selected ‘team’ and therefore He himself if Popes had been created as thus would have demanded a female Pope by now given that Women are much more accepted cultural and we no longer hidden away as floral wallflowers but fulfill vital part of the community just as much men? He chose all male because that was the general accepted normality of that time and culture. But today in the Western World things are very very different and women are still sub ordinate in that we have only ever had one female prime minister (for better for worse-no comment) and you guys yet to have a female even. But women are much more accepted and allowed onto the Altar even in the Catholic Church and am asking out of real curosity do you not think that Jesus would have moved with the times and culture and yeh, may be in some Eastern Cultures where women really are still subordinate he have his work cut out but in the Western World the Pope would have been female by now never mind Priests and Bishops.

Please note that yeh, am anglican and I myself really am neither for or against female priests but the fact they are female would stop me going. But am simply interested why is it taken the Church so long to catch up with the real world and wonder if Jesus had been in Human form Charge and Pope existed as thus would he have ensured that Women had as equal chance and be in all ‘ranks’ of the Church given that the climate and culture he was in… Given that it was only women who cared for His Human Body after His death etc.

I am interested in what discussion may follow and I want the discussion to draw from both Biblical and the World of Today and How it is.
peace
xxx
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There is a lot of speculation on you’re part maybe a basic understanding of The Eternal would do you well.

Pax,
Tarpeian
 
The apostles were counter-cultural precisely because they did not ordain women in their succession (among many other contentious issues). There were female priests and oracles throughout the pagan Mediterranean world. Many converts from pagan religions included priests and religious workers, and yet former priestesses were not ordained into the Catholic priesthood. Christianity did not spread to some allegedly closed-minded society that thought women were somehow incapable of performing the functions of the priest. This contemporary issue is not new, it’s just old enough that people think it’s new.
 
The_Bucket said:
Slavery of old was not the slavery of which we are most familiar.
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Nonsense. The most common form of slavery today is completely unchanged from ancient times:
Ancient Greek Prostitutes were divided into several categories. The “pornai” πόρναι[4] were found at the bottom end of the scale. They were, as alluded to by the etymology—the word comes from pernemi πέρνημι “to sell”—the property of πορνοβοσκός pornoboskós, or pimps, who received a portion of their earnings. …]
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In the classical era of ancient Greece, pornai were slaves of barbarian origin; starting in the Hellenistic era the case of young girls abandoned by their citizen fathers can be added. They were considered to be slaves until proven otherwise. Pornai were usually employed in brothels located in “red-light” districts of the period, such as Piraeus (port of Athens) or Kerameikos in Athens.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_ancient_Greece
 
Weller2, you are confusing destitute slavery with the more common form of slavery in the ancient world as a form of employment, which is entirely unlike American slavery.

Slavery in the Ancient World

(It’s an evangelical video I’ve seen in the past, but anyway, it adequately addresses the subject)
 
I think (name removed by moderator) hit everything right on the head!

The only thing I would like to add in the form of question to people who think women should be priest or Pope etc, is why does a specified role in the Church demand equality in terms of being open to either gender? Isnt this in itself a bias of our out times? And who is to say this bias wont be determined be wrong at another time?? Don’t get me wrong, Im not saying women should have been restricted from voting or other inequalities such as that. But when people suggest that the Church check in with the times, I have to ask a resounding WHY?!! You say you are Anglican, so I assume you still oppose abortion. But the world thinks abortion is almost a moral good. The word thinks premarital or extra marital sex is , if not good, perfectly acceptable. And on and on. The “catch up with times” argument in my mind is the worst argument for the Church to change its theology regarding a female clergy.

One other thing. What is the difference between the Church making the case, as (name removed by moderator) outlined, that the priesthood is inherently a male role because Christ himself modeled it as such and arguing that women are to give birth and not men? God simply ordained a different role in reproduction. Should people be complaining to God that he is a misogynist or a misogyo-phile depending on ones out look on carrying children? God found it fit to make two sexes and give us different roles. Is this inequality? Why are different roles in the Church different if you believe that God left us a Church? I can see why an atheist or very liberal Christian would argue against it because they either don’t believe in Gods role in anything or at best in deciding who should be clergy, in the case of the liberal Christian. But if you believe God instituted the Church, then why couldn’t he also institute different gender roles? I think its incumbent on the challengers of the male priesthood, and thus a male Pope, to make the case why Christ wanted an male and female clergy. And, the only arguments I ever hear is that there were women priest and deacons in the early Church or the ridiculous notion that modern cultural values demand gender equality in ALL roles. The Early Church priestess and deaconess case is simply untrue in terms of the clergy were talking about now. And, the modern cultural values argument really has no legs to stand on if you’re a Christian since these values have strayed so far from Christianity.
 
why is it taken the Church so long to catch up with the real world
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The “real world” is [too] slowly catching up with the REAL WORLD (where the Church operates, and has operated very comfortably for a little better than 2000 years).

Hopefully the lines will converge at some point predating the Second Coming.
 
Ha, i was going to post up about pope joan! There might be some truth in it, who knows, as there have been some things hidden by the vatican for year’s.

Where in the scripture’s did Jesus say all his disciples should be male? Well i mean priest’s? Wasn’t Mary Magdalane considered a disciple?
 
simpleas said:
Ha, i was going to post up about pope joan! There might be some truth in it, who knows, as there have been some things hidden by the vatican for year’s.

Where in the scripture’s did Jesus say all his disciples should be male? Well i mean priest’s? Wasn’t Mary Magdalane considered a disciple?
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Well. ,(I) don’t believe their ever was any truth about the legend of the so-called “Pope Joan”.Second their’s no historical evidence of Christ calling any female Apostles,and all of the early church fathers make no mention of any women Apostles .And there’s no evidence of the original Apostles themselfs choosing any women successers.I’m not even going to address the notion of the Vatican hidding anything.And their’s no outside (reliable) information on any proof of the existence of any so-called Pope Joan.Also a disciple and an Apostle are 2 different things altogether .The Apostles were sent which is what the word Apostle means in Greek,it’s true the Apostles were also disciples of Christ .But not all the first disciples were considered Apostles.All followers of the Lord Jesus are disciples ,but we are not considered Apostles or sent directly by Christ.
 
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