Female Priests Defy Catholic Church At The Altar

[Pax_et_Bonum]

Sorta like Jack Lemmon in Some Like It Hot dressing up as a woman and saying over and over, “I’m a girl.” I’m a girl."

Perhaps. I look at it rather as, "It defies authority, therefore it must be right."We tend reflexively to assume that the popular or received wisdom, especially if associated with some “official” source or long-standing institution, is always ripe for challenge, and also that if some independent thinker or writer takes an unconventional position, however extreme or counterintuitive, then there simply must be something right in it, or least worth listening to. “Innovator” and “iconoclast” are among our favorite terms of approbation, and “questioning authority” and “thinking outside the box” are applauded even by many self-described conservatives. By contrast, “unoriginal” and “conventional” are treated as if they were synonyms for “unintelligent” and “unthinking.”

We the Sheeple?
By Prof. Edward Feser

 

[Pax_et_Bonum]

They are all excommunicated and Extreme Unction(Sorry I’m an old Catholic who prefers the term) will be denied them on their death beds unless they repent.They are denied ALL sacraments and every person part of the bogus hallowe’en “ordination” has excommunicated themselves.These women who mimic priests have been FORMALLY excommunicated.

 

[sedonaman]

… Extreme Unction(Sorry I’m an old Catholic who prefers the term) …

So am I. Pax Vobiscum.

 

[Santi2]

So am I. Pax Vobiscum.

Refreshing to note that I am not alone. I must mention this to Catholics I know, including priests, who always correct me when I say “Extreme Unction”.

 

[Little_One0307]

Refreshing to note that I am not alone. I must mention this to Catholics I know, including priests, who always correct me when I say “Extreme Unction”.

God bless you two. It is nice to know that I am not alone either. That’s three of us. It is nice to have a SD who does not mind me calling it Extreme Unction. I am a convert into the Church as of 2003, but I find myself sliding back into the Traditional practices of the Church.

What a wonderful Church this is. Oh the riches and the depthes of the Church.

God bless.

 

[sedonaman]

… It is nice to have a SD who does not mind me calling it Extreme Unction. I am a convert into the Church as of 2003, but I find myself sliding back into the Traditional practices of the Church.
…

When I was a kid in Catechism, we called it “Extra Munction”. That’s the way we heard it.

 

[khawk2]

The ordination is invalid and illicit since women cannot be ordained.

Anyone who knows the history of the Catholic Church-- founded by Jesus Christ knows that the Sacrifice at Calvary can ONLY be celebrated by a male: “in persona Christi” : in the person of Christ. It is also true for the ministers (altar boys) because they are the priest’s extra set of hands. Knowing that Christ was a Jew and knowing the separation of roles within the Jewish Religion the absence of women on the altar is easily self explanatory except to those who refuse to believe dogma. They are not in concert with the Church and those ordinations are indeed illicit and invalid.

Feminism is a desease that has helped legalize murder and killed hundreds of thousands of unborn children.

Ultrasound is a gift from God that has helped the doubting Thomas women realize that those unborn have souls and are, at the moment of conception-- children of God.

Thou shalt not kill.

 

[Charlie]

The entire concept of “in Persona Christi” (in the person of Christ) comes to mind. If I were in a Star Trek episode and wanted to play Luetenant Uhura as a man, this would seem rediculous. How can a woman be seen as in the person of Christ. There is a special role for women in the Church. A woman bore the Son of God, so all may be saved. As great a Joseph was he was unable to do this. Just as with Jesus choosing 12 men to be His deciples. We are unable to substitute gender for this. I have a great respect for women in the Church. If it were not for a great nun and woman of faith Sr,. Nancy I would not be Catholic now. She lovingly answered all of my questions an objections about the faith.
In conclusion, women and men have special roles in the Church. One is not more important than the other. We are all working to the glory of God’s kingdom. The Church is not all about Priests and Bishops, althought they do have an important role in leading us. A quote from St. Thomas Aquinas come to mind. I am paraphrasing here. “The clergy would look rather silly if it were not for the laity”.

 

[coachkfan1]

Not that I am advocating it, but this type of blatant rebellion is one of the reasons heretics used to be burned at the stake. Again, I am in no way saying that was right, but it did nip a lot of problems in the bud.

 

[khawk2]

Not that I am advocating it, but this type of blatant rebellion is one of the reasons heretics used to be burned at the stake. Again, I am in no way saying that was right, but it did nip a lot of problems in the bud.

They are not Catholic. That is punishment enough. Many Catholics were burned at the stake I am sure but these women are no longer Catholic regardless of WHAT they call themselves. And practicing Lesbianism is against the Natural Law of the Catholic Church. The only form of sex that is permitted in the Catholic Church is between a man and a woman married within the Catholic Church. Everything has a reason. Jesus told us to “people the earth”. A lesbian cannot people the earth with another woman.

 

[Corki]

Yes. I’m sure that down the street there is a church of another religion that ordains women priests. If becoming a priestess is so important, wouldn’t it have been a lot easier to join it than trying to change the Catholic church?

This is what I don’t understand. We have a lot of dissidents in the Church who think that they should stay to try to effect change from within. I don’t agree with them but I “get” what they are trying to do.

But these women who try to claim priesthood just confuse me. 1) They get excommunicated from the Church they are supposed to love. 2) They have to use a Protestant church for their ordination play 3) If they have any ministy at all, it will be in a Protestant church or some inter-faith ministry 4) they are removed from any official ministry in the Church such as teaching, EMHC, working for the parish or diocese. I don’t “get” these at all.

 

[Dale_M]

Anyone who knows the history of the Catholic Church-- founded by Jesus Christ knows that the Sacrifice at Calvary can ONLY be celebrated by a male: “in persona Christi” : in the person of Christ. It is also true for the ministers (altar boys) because they are the priest’s extra set of hands.

Although you are correct about the male character of the priesthood, what you say about altar servers is not true. The male character of altar servers is not a dogma of the Catholic Church, although it is a noble tradition.

 

[sedonaman]

This is what I don’t understand. We have a lot of dissidents in the Church who think that they should stay to try to effect change from within. I don’t agree with them but I “get” what they are trying to do.

I’m not sure what they are trying to do. Ever since I took the Myers-Brigggs personality type test, I’ve been fascinated by it. It seems there is a type that prefers constant change for change sake, and they aren’t happy unless they get it, so they are constantly agitating for it. Even if they did get change, they still wouldn’t be happy because they would need still more change. Needless to say, any societal change is going to affect others negatively who don’t prefer change, but that is no concern of the selfish few who must have it their way. They were heavily influenced by the feminist movement who hated everything male.

There is a book, Sisters In Crisis, that explores this phenomenon in the sisterhood, which it destroyed. As I read it, the same question kept occurring to me, why would someone who prefers constant change and hates male domination join an organization that is traditional and male dominated? The only answer I could come up with is provided by Cosby: “brain damage”.

But these women who try to claim priesthood just confuse me. 1) They get excommunicated from the Church they are supposed to love. 2) They have to use a Protestant church for their ordination play 3) If they have any ministy at all, it will be in a Protestant church or some inter-faith ministry 4) they are removed from any official ministry in the Church such as teaching, EMHC, working for the parish or diocese. I don’t “get” these at all.

I heard one woman change advocate say that change in the Church has always come from the laity. This is what they believe. If they did join a Protestant church, they would be doing the same thing to it.

 

[khawk2]

Although you are correct about the male character of the priesthood, what you say about altar servers is not true. The male character of altar servers is not a dogma of the Catholic Church, although it is a noble tradition.

Actually it was 1994 when permission was given for female altar servers.

It is dogma in the Extraordinary Rite.

 

[StJudePray4Me]

There is a book, Sisters In Crisis, that explores this phenomenon in the sisterhood, which it destroyed. As I read it, the same question kept occurring to me, why would someone who prefers constant change and hates male domination join an organization that is traditional and male dominated? The only answer I could come up with is provided by Cosby: “brain damage”.

I wonder this is well.

The only thing I can think of is: these women feel that if men have something, then THEY must have it as well. Like children, they look around and think that there should be NOTHING that men have/are/do that should be exclusively male.

 

[sedonaman]

I wonder this is well.

The only thing I can think of is: these women feel that if men have something, then THEY must have it as well. Like children, they look around and think that there should be NOTHING that men have/are/do that should be exclusively male.

Sounds like penis envy.

 

[Corki]

Actually it was 1994 when permission was given for female altar servers.

It is dogma in the Extraordinary Rite.

No, that’s not a dogma. It’s a rule in the EF Missal. It’s still just a disciplinary rule, not a doctrine or a dogma.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Excuse my ignorance, but I have to expose this ignorance for all to see since I have a pressing question.

Is the “ordination” of priesthood for these women “priests” even valid? I realize that it was done by valid Bishops, but did a priesthood actually take place since it was done to women?

I suppose I might be comparing it to a priest trying to bless a piece of pie with the intent of the pie becoming a valid Eucharist? No matter what his intent would be, the pie would not become the Body of Christ. In the same token, a priest who blesses a piece of homemade bread, even if it contains things other than just wheat, this does become the Divine Body, yet is illicit.

Now, I’m not sure… are they just illicit priests or no priest at all?

According to Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, no. The Church has no more authority to ordain women as priest as it has the power to turn rocks into pepperoni pizza.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html

 

[sedonaman]

According to Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, no. The Church has no more authority to ordain women as priest as it has the power to turn rocks into pepperoni pizza.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html

Even in spite of what that reference says, the advocates of women priests claim that a male-only priesthood is arbitrary.

I predict that if women are ever allowed to be priests, there will be an exodus of male priests until there are none left. Then the agitators will complain that, “You men always con us women into fixing the meal and washing the dishes!”

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Even in spite of what that reference says, the advocates of women priests claim that a male-only priesthood is arbitrary.

I predict that if women are ever allowed to be priests, there will be an exodus of male priests until there are none left. Then the agitators will complain that, “You men always con us women into fixing the meal and washing the dishes!”

Pope Blessed John Paul II quite explicitly stated that the Church doesn’t have the authority to ordain priests. Any woman who participates in one of these ceremonies is latae sententia excommunicated, as is any bishop. The bishop may also be formally excommunicated, as he was in this case. Anyone who teaches that it may be possible to ordain women is guilty of formal heresy. The matter is about as clear as they come.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.