Feminism and Divorce

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Just to set the records straight, it wasn’t feminism that made abortion legalized in America. What made it legalize was that so many women were doing it illegally and dying that P. Obama legalized it so they get through it more safely and because he also knew that no matter if it was legalized or not women would get it anyway, even if it was against the law.

And also, there have been forms of abortion long before this era. Women would eat plants and have charms put on them and all that stuff just so they would not have a certain baby. It is just that within the last few decades that people seem to have seen the problem and are now taking sides on the issue.

Just to let you know I am Pro-Life and not Pro-Choice. I have this post here only to help you keep your history/records straight and to still think rationally while discussing this topic of Feminism.
Just to set the record straight, while President Obama is an ardent supporter of legal abortion, he did not “legalize” abortion, as you indicate above. That was done by judicial fiat in 1973, afte pro-abortion attorneys jinned up a phony abortion case to take to the U.S. Supreme Court. The eventual 1973 decisions: Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton, essentially overturned every state abortion law in fifty states. Yes, women did get abortion prior to Roe, and contrary to the propaganda at the time, there not many maternal deaths from abortion. Neither was there much demand for change in state abortion laws by people and legislators. There were not one million children being killed by abortion as there are now. For a good history of the period, read “Aborting America,” by Bernard Nathanson, a former abortionist.
 
Oh my gosh! I had to register here so i could respond to the post.

I was raised with 6 other siblings, and my mom raised us to be “independent, and don’t you dare depend upon a man!” Well, it worked. I went to college for 8 years, got a wonderful degree, and now I regret it (not the degree, but what I went through). I got married, and my husband was very happy that I could “contribute” to the family (like I wasn’t already!!). We have been married 20 years. However, even though now everything is cool, it wasn’t always. I had my oldest child in daycare, so I could bring home the “big bucks”, which was actually used for beautiful clothing, daycare, gas, eating out, and more wonderful and expensive activities for my son. Then, my Dad has a major stroke, so I had to quit the 5 clinics I worked for, and take over his practice, until he recovered. Well, he never recovered fully, and I never went back to employee status, because I had to help him pay his bills, housing, etc. by taking over his office. He lost a lot of patients because they lost faith in him, and did not want to switch to a “woman” doctor (so much for “feminism”). Anyways (sorry this is long, but there is a point), I kept working full time, and even had 2 more babies, but was able to bring them to work with me, because I did not want them in daycare (my son’s daycare lady was smoking pot while he was running around her pool, and we sent him to a daycare center, but, the expense was too much for daycare). But, husband was happy because that was MY responsibility, as I was working and “had to contribute”. By the way, he never gave me a DIME, because I had my “own” money. He lied about his income (I ended up picking up all the groceries, clothing, etc), and two affairs later, everything came to a halt. What was worse, was that I was pregnant with a fourth child, who ended up with a brain disorder. So, my practice was way down, still carrying my father financially until his social security kicked in, and living a miserable life. My husband and I were two separate people with two separate paychecks. I was getting to the point where I could not go to work because I could not afford to put gas in my car anymore. When I asked about money, my husband never, ever had any, and had his own hidden checking account. Finally, I thought that I could do better on my own with child support and alimony (financially, that is), and there was no marriage anyways. Being an independent woman, I did not NEED a man…So, I told him I wanted a divorce, which he did not want.

By the grace of God, reverting back to my faith (instead of the faith of money), many Rosaries, and sacrifices, we are happily married, and I only work three mornings per week (to keep Dad busy-oh, my Mom had died, and they were divorced-so much for femininsm). My husband, has made a complete turn around, and has supported me raising the children in the Faith (I used to get so much flak before), and I have use of the checking account!! We are totally in love, commited to the children, and are living a whole different life.

That was a long story, but the last 20 years of, well, hell, has opened my eyes to the whole feminism thing. My husband actually LOST respect for me because I was working. I was pretty much used as an income earner, so he could buy the toys and extras for the family or himself (when I was making good money, I was buying all the groceries, clothing, etc., because he refused to…which allowed him to use his income for the latest computer, car, etc). Feminism allowed that to happen. I bought into it, was raised with it, and was kicked in the face with it. Now, I realize the importance of motherhood, taking care of MY home, and educating MY children (my gifts from God). Our Lord and Lady has brought me through all this to learn, because of my pride and stubborness, I had nearly lost my husband and children. I am now lucky to have a few dollars in my pocket,and I could not be any happier. I thank God every day for opening my eyes. My husband is a much different person, and I can actually support and listen to him, whereas before, I was so tired and drained from work, that I needed someone to be there for me, and he wasn’t, because he was so tired! Sacrifice and unselfishness now rule our household.

I realize that some women HAVE to work, and are in a position like I was. I did not believe we could make it, but God gently decreased my income and got me used to regular things (not designer), so I would be prepared for my special needs baby, who has been a blessing. I lost a lot of friends, and many, many people lost respect for me.

I do not mean to judge, but please, feminism destroyed my life for many years, and was like an insidious cancer growing into unhappiness. My heart breaks when women tell me that they might have to go back to work so they can afford vacations, pay down the credit card bills, or pay tuition at the local private high school, but it is all just a trap to keep the woman away from her family. My thinking was so messed up, and what I thought was confidence was just ugly pride and arrogance. I have so much more confidence since I have been home.

Feminism has ruined families, ruined marriages, and made the woman into a dollar sign. Let alone give men the freedom to spend more on toys and of themselves, more time for affairs, and also less reproductive responsibility.

Long post, but it has been on my mind since forever! I have made a flip to being, well, old-fashioned, and I get so much joy and peace from getting my priorities straight-after 20 years that is!

God is so good.
 
Feminism isn’ t the fault of only women. I mean, you can’t blame women for the mess we’re in. Men have played their role in it. You have those who don’t take their marriage vows serious (like my ex), along with the real need. In cases of abuse, intervention is nesessary. This dosn’t mean tht divorce is the cure-all.

I guess I’m sounding all mixed up. As a divorced person, who would rather have stayed married, I have been all mixed up. Although the divorce was over 20 years ago, I still find myself regretting that fact. But it wasn’t exactly uncalled for. It was a abusive relationship with someone who didn’t want the responsibility of a “real” marriage. He, and his family, basically kicked me out for failure to be his sex toy and the family slave. I could go on, but then I’d never stop. Like I’ve already said, it’s been over 20 years and it’s still sometimes painful.
I’m so sorry for your pain, dear friend. May the consolation of the Holy Spirit be with you.
 
I do not mean to judge, but please, feminism destroyed my life for many years, and was like an insidious cancer growing into unhappiness. My heart breaks when women tell me that they might have to go back to work so they can afford vacations, pay down the credit card bills, or pay tuition at the local private high school, but it is all just a trap to keep the woman away from her family. My thinking was so messed up, and what I thought was confidence was just ugly pride and arrogance. I have so much more confidence since I have been home.

Feminism has ruined families, ruined marriages, and made the woman into a dollar sign. Let alone give men the freedom to spend more on toys and of themselves, more time for affairs, and also less reproductive responsibility.

Long post, but it has been on my mind since forever! I have made a flip to being, well, old-fashioned, and I get so much joy and peace from getting my priorities straight-after 20 years that is!

God is so good.
What a remarkable witness! I was so blessed by your testimony, dear friend-thank you so much for sharing! How much you speak of the** power of God**…now that’s** CHANGE we can* ALL ***believe in!
God bless you and your precious family.
 
Actually, while Italy does have one of the lower divorce rates, they also have had a declining population for so many years that they are considered a “dying” country! In Italy there is no such thing as anullment.
I am not sure where you got this information. The Roman Rota, which is in effect the “court of last resort” granted more annulments to Italians than anyone else - see Ed Peters (Canon lawyer) as the source. You may have been told certain things about decrees of nullity, but Canon law for the Roman rite does not distinguish between Italy and, say, the U.S.; what Italians may actually do, as opposed to what the law may say they could or should do, is going to be more cultural than legal. Given that attendance in Italy at weekly Mass is lower than in the US (and I use this as a sign of how many actually follow Church practice), what you may be looking at is the failure of the Church impacting daily life.
 
Oh my gosh! I had to register here so i could respond to the post.
So, you find it helpful to have one culprit for the fact that were enabled to make bad choices and everything that you see as ‘wrong’ in the history of capitalism in the last 50 years?
 
Precisely none. As I described earlier, in those states, like New York, without no-fault divorce, the divorce rate is precisely identical to those states with no-fault divorce.
That, however, is the result of changes in the laws which essentially made “fault” states into “no fault” states, without specifically stating so.
 
History does not go backwards. With any society, certain core beliefs are what made them strong, and the loss or diminishment of those core beliefs contributed to, if not caused them to fall. North America and Europe have been strong, and both seem to be weakening by any number of measurements. Both have gone through a serious change in core moral beliefs, Europe perhaps more than North America (although it appears to be trying to catch up in the process).
True, history does not go backwards. I hope that does not mean that we are simply stuck with the general disintegration of marriage and all the social dissolution which that entails for our culture.
 
Well, I guess there is more than one culprit. I was just talking about my personal story, talking to my 80 year old father and his opinions, and a few of my patients’ opinions. This was just what I went through, and what my sisters have gone through, all in the name of feminism. Even when I discuss this subject, or ask about it to the elderly in my father’s apartments, they agree that feminism has broken down marriages over the years, and the woman working outside the home needlessly has also contributed to the family breakdown.

I was just expressing my opinion, my views, and sharing my personal story, as it may help someone who was caught in the same trap. Sometimes women feel so trapped by working 40 hours per week, coming home and cooking, cleaning, and helping with the children’s homework, that there IS a way out sometimes by tightening the belt economically. We JUST got internet 6 months ago due to our budget. So, a lot of times it can be done. I hope I can encourage someone.
 
Well, I guess there is more than one culprit. I was just talking about my personal story, talking to my 80 year old father and his opinions, and a few of my patients’ opinions. This was just what I went through, and what my sisters have gone through, all in the name of feminism. Even when I discuss this subject, or ask about it to the elderly in my father’s apartments, they agree that feminism has broken down marriages over the years, and the woman working outside the home needlessly has also contributed to the family breakdown.

I was just expressing my opinion, my views, and sharing my personal story, as it may help someone who was caught in the same trap. Sometimes women feel so trapped by working 40 hours per week, coming home and cooking, cleaning, and helping with the children’s homework, that there IS a way out sometimes by tightening the belt economically. We JUST got internet 6 months ago due to our budget. So, a lot of times it can be done. I hope I can encourage someone.
Thank you, you did.🙂
 
Is anyone aware that many early feminists (by which I mean women who supported equal voting and property rights for women) were also opposed to abortion? Oh, and believe it or not, abortion was not invented in 1973. From the beginning of recorded history, women have had abortions, many were forced into it by men who did not want to take responsibility for the children they fathered.

And would someone please explain to me why there are so many very strong women in the church who act as pastoral ministers, EME’s, lectors, teachers, etc., who think “feminism” is a dirty word? Do these women want to go back to the days in which women were the property of their husbands or fathers, with nothing available to them except motherhood or the cloister? Do they want us to give up our right to vote and hold public office? Peace be with you all.
 
I suspect that in their world “feminism” may have come to mean being pro-abortion, man-hating, and the like.
 
I would just like to add that he visionary Ivan from Medjugorje has stated that one of satan’ favorite ploys is to divide a husband and wife and go after the children one by one. The Blessed Mother has warned satan wishes to destroy marriages, and therefore peace in the world. Peace and the family go hand in hand. Also, satan was given a century to attempt to destroy the church. Did a heck of a job didn’t he? All the things I’ve read mentioned in this thread: abortion, divorce, etc. is his mark of what has happened in our world, of his raging attempts to destroy humanity. The question is why have we fallen for it? I am old enough (40)to have witnessed a lot of changes and it has been staggering the effects on myself personally and the world.
 
Oh my gosh! I had to register here so i could respond to the post.

I was raised with 6 other siblings, and my mom raised us to be “independent, and don’t you dare depend upon a man!” Well, it worked. I went to college for 8 years, got a wonderful degree, and now I regret it (not the degree, but what I went through). I got married, and my husband was very happy that I could “contribute” to the family (like I wasn’t already!!). We have been married 20 years. However, even though now everything is cool, it wasn’t always. I had my oldest child in daycare, so I could bring home the “big bucks”, which was actually used for beautiful clothing, daycare, gas, eating out, and more wonderful and expensive activities for my son. Then, my Dad has a major stroke, so I had to quit the 5 clinics I worked for, and take over his practice, until he recovered. Well, he never recovered fully, and I never went back to employee status, because I had to help him pay his bills, housing, etc. by taking over his office. He lost a lot of patients because they lost faith in him, and did not want to switch to a “woman” doctor (so much for “feminism”). Anyways (sorry this is long, but there is a point), I kept working full time, and even had 2 more babies, but was able to bring them to work with me, because I did not want them in daycare (my son’s daycare lady was smoking pot while he was running around her pool, and we sent him to a daycare center, but, the expense was too much for daycare). But, husband was happy because that was MY responsibility, as I was working and “had to contribute”. By the way, he never gave me a DIME, because I had my “own” money. He lied about his income (I ended up picking up all the groceries, clothing, etc), and two affairs later, everything came to a halt. What was worse, was that I was pregnant with a fourth child, who ended up with a brain disorder. So, my practice was way down, still carrying my father financially until his social security kicked in, and living a miserable life. My husband and I were two separate people with two separate paychecks. I was getting to the point where I could not go to work because I could not afford to put gas in my car anymore. When I asked about money, my husband never, ever had any, and had his own hidden checking account. Finally, I thought that I could do better on my own with child support and alimony (financially, that is), and there was no marriage anyways. Being an independent woman, I did not NEED a man…So, I told him I wanted a divorce, which he did not want.

By the grace of God, reverting back to my faith (instead of the faith of money), many Rosaries, and sacrifices, we are happily married, and I only work three mornings per week (to keep Dad busy-oh, my Mom had died, and they were divorced-so much for femininsm). My husband, has made a complete turn around, and has supported me raising the children in the Faith (I used to get so much flak before), and I have use of the checking account!! We are totally in love, commited to the children, and are living a whole different life.

That was a long story, but the last 20 years of, well, hell, has opened my eyes to the whole feminism thing. My husband actually LOST respect for me because I was working. I was pretty much used as an income earner, so he could buy the toys and extras for the family or himself (when I was making good money, I was buying all the groceries, clothing, etc., because he refused to…which allowed him to use his income for the latest computer, car, etc). Feminism allowed that to happen. I bought into it, was raised with it, and was kicked in the face with it. Now, I realize the importance of motherhood, taking care of MY home, and educating MY children (my gifts from God). Our Lord and Lady has brought me through all this to learn, because of my pride and stubborness, I had nearly lost my husband and children. I am now lucky to have a few dollars in my pocket,and I could not be any happier. I thank God every day for opening my eyes. My husband is a much different person, and I can actually support and listen to him, whereas before, I was so tired and drained from work, that I needed someone to be there for me, and he wasn’t, because he was so tired! Sacrifice and unselfishness now rule our household.

I realize that some women HAVE to work, and are in a position like I was. I did not believe we could make it, but God gently decreased my income and got me used to regular things (not designer), so I would be prepared for my special needs baby, who has been a blessing. I lost a lot of friends, and many, many people lost respect for me.

I do not mean to judge, but please, feminism destroyed my life for many years, and was like an insidious cancer growing into unhappiness. My heart breaks when women tell me that they might have to go back to work so they can afford vacations, pay down the credit card bills, or pay tuition at the local private high school, but it is all just a trap to keep the woman away from her family. My thinking was so messed up, and what I thought was confidence was just ugly pride and arrogance. I have so much more confidence since I have been home.

Feminism has ruined families, ruined marriages, and made the woman into a dollar sign. Let alone give men the freedom to spend more on toys and of themselves, more time for affairs, and also less reproductive responsibility.

Long post, but it has been on my mind since forever! I have made a flip to being, well, old-fashioned, and I get so much joy and peace from getting my priorities straight-after 20 years that is!

God is so good.
 
That was really beautiful and heart felt!!! You voiced what I’ve been feeling for so long! We were all raised with the idea we could do it all and it was such a lie!!! Your life experience mirrors mine in many ways. Thanks be to God, I am trying to do things God’s way- and not the sick way of the world.
God Bless You and your family!
 
People like nice, simple cause and effect scenarios where bad things are the direct result of the views and actions of a few, easily identifiable naughty people - or in cases like ‘feminists’, ‘liberals’ and ‘Muslims’, very, very naughty people.

The idea that there might be a number of forces at play at the same time and that they interacted with one another - changes in production methods, changes in demand, changes in the labor market, changes in finance, economic/industrial change other countries leading to decline in major industries like steel and auto, changes in housing, far greater mobility in the demand/supply of labor leading to adult children moving far from their parents and grandparents, the availability of domestic goods that reduced the need for domestic labor, changes in a whole range of attitudes after the experience of the Second World War and so on and so on - is just too confusing and not easy to get cross about in the same way as a bit of foot-stamping about a few very, very naughty people.
ITA. It’s comforting to find an “other” to be the bad guy and the cause of all that is wrong in the world, but it’s hardly accurate.
 
Well, I guess there is more than one culprit. I was just talking about my personal story, talking to my 80 year old father and his opinions, and a few of my patients’ opinions. This was just what I went through, and what my sisters have gone through, all in the name of feminism.
“All in the name of feminism?” You made a series of bad decisions in your life purely “in the name of feminism”? A regretful feminist warrior reveals all.
I was just expressing my opinion, my views, and sharing my personal story, as it may help someone who was caught in the same trap. Sometimes women feel so trapped by working 40 hours per week, coming home and cooking, cleaning, and helping with the children’s homework, that there IS a way out sometimes by tightening the belt economically. We JUST got internet 6 months ago due to our budget. So, a lot of times it can be done. I hope I can encourage someone.
That’s all the result of feminism is it? It’s nothing to do with the labor market at this stage of capitalism, nothing to do with the technological revolution, nothing to do with foreign competition that’s changed the nature of the industrial and financial base.

Nope, just feminism.

Riiiigggghhht
 
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