Feminisms effect on women

[neat62]

if I say or do something I consider irrational I take responsibility for it b/c I will not use the “pms” excuse b/c I’m afraid it would later discredit anything else I would do. B/c if some disagreed with me or didn’t want to take me seriously they would say she’s prob PMS’ing. I do not approve of using that as a get out of jail free card. If I am feeling particularly irrational and I feel it is due to hormones…I keep that in mind and stay away from people or take breaks from them to keep myself under control. I have been successful thus far. Not a hard thing to keep under control.

That’s very good for and of you…I generally do the same, however, you and I both know that most women today do not, sadly.

And as I posted above…entire sitcoms have been created around the “hormonal” issues women go through…they, society, has justified all types of immoral and irresponsible behavior because of it…heck, we even have women murdering their children (the born, not unborn), drowning in bathtubs and rivers, and then crying that it was due to their “hormones”.

 

[neat62]

Quite a few people need a time out. There are things being said that are not only incorrect, but offensive. I’m looking at you, leftistdestroye(r)

Agreed. What we need to remember (and what is greatly evidenced here) is that angry, bitter people are incapable of reason.

I also posted a link in the news section on the reasons women get AIDS in third world countries. The reasons all dealt with the subjugation of women in much the same way that some of these posters seem to be extolling - makes you think:

http://haneydaw.myweb.uga.edu/twwh/aids.html

Who’s talking about subjugating women? Those of us who are against feminism are not talking about making women walk three feet behind the man…not talking about beating them when you are ready for dinner and its not on the table, etc.

We are talking about honoring and recognizing the value in traditional roles…roles that the Blessed Mother and St. Joseph filled completely and wholeheartedly…following the examples THEY gave for us. Having true love and respect for one another…NOT berating one or the other…not touting one as “superior” over the other…just recognizing that God indeed, created us to be different and He did outline our roles.

We are advocating the sanctity of family…not the tearing apart of it we see in society today…and have seen since the inception of “feminism”.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Carolinagirl411;3613384]

Anyway…My fiance takes care of me…emotionally, spiritually, physically, and he has offered to take care of me economically as well. I love him for it but I would not want him to be burdened by me for something I can easily do myself. I need the emotional/spiritual/physical support but I’m not a lazy person. I work hard and therefore I want to be able to take care of myself. When we marry we will share equal financial responsibility. If something happens and he loses his job for a bit, I would expect to pick up the slack out of love for him and vice versa. i would not be opposed to that. For better or worse and sickness and health right? I am opposed to just sitting around wasting my talents letting him take care of my every need…I just can’t bear it. Some women were given the gift of being a stay at home mom, that is not me and hopefully never will be. I do not have their talents and patience. My father did not let my mother have equal footing financially and when he ditched her she had a rough time getting a strong footing. I do not want this to happen to me…I know it is personal baggage that makes me this way but I also don’t see it as fair to the man to shoulder all financial responsibility. Men don’t have to be the bread winner all the time. Why have all that stress when you have a partner to share the burden.

Hope that explains it a bit better. I don’t see independence as being a manly trait…I see it as a human trait. We all strive for independence…that’s why puberty is such a rough period!

Well, if that is the way you see it, then that is the way you see it. It sounds all nice and with good intentions, but we all know what they say about good intentions. I could argue your entire post, but what is the point. I will just continue to fight this demon on society.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Agreed. What we need to remember (and what is greatly evidenced here) is that angry, bitter people are incapable of reason.

That is nonsense.

I also posted a link in the news section on the reasons women get AIDS in third world countries. The reasons all dealt with the subjugation of women in much the same way that some of these posters seem to be extolling - makes you think:

I think you need to go back and read all the posts, because you are amazingly misinformed. Are you angry or bitter or something?

http://haneydaw.myweb.uga.edu/twwh/aids.html

I dont know about anyone else, but I cant open the link.

 

[neat62]

Quite a few people need a time out. There are things being said that are not only incorrect, but offensive. I’m looking at you, leftistdestroye(r).

I could find offense with this post…as it is specifically targeting another…so am I “justified” in being offended?

I mean…geesh…I find most of the posts in this thread to be offensive, since I don’t agree with many…but umm…isn’t that the point of “debating”?

Its a challenge to each of us to articulate our points of view…but so much can be misinterpreted…afterall, we can’t ‘assume’ tone…in addition, the topics at hand are not exactly fluffy and fun…they are serious and emotional.

I just think that some take things far too personal and need to be reminded that we don’t really know one another…and in fact, most of us would probably get along very well in the “real” world…perhaps those who are so easily “offended” need to take a break…since there are much more important things to get offended over in life…like the murder of millions through abortion.

 

[Calliso]

I could find offense with this post…as it is specifically targeting another…so am I “justified” in being offended?

I mean…geesh…I find most of the posts in this thread to be offensive, since I don’t agree with many…but umm…isn’t that the point of “debating”?

Its a challenge to each of us to articulate our points of view…but so much can be misinterpreted…afterall, we can’t ‘assume’ tone…in addition, the topics at hand are not exactly fluffy and fun…they are serious and emotional.

I just think that some take things far too personal and need to be reminded that we don’t really know one another…and in fact, most of us would probably get along very well in the “real” world…perhaps those who are so easily “offended” need to take a break…since there are much more important things to get offended over in life…like the murder of millions through abortion.

Well there are different degrees of offense you know? I agree no one should be getting super offended here but there are different degrees of offense you know? Anyway I know I am one of the people you are talking about lol and I not offended anymore.

 

[Naztakuan]

Carolinagirl411;3613384]

Well, if that is the way you see it, then that is the way you see it. It sounds all nice and with good intentions, but we all know what they say about good intentions. I could argue your entire post, but what is the point. I will just continue to fight this demon on society.

Anyone ever tell you that you sound like a “Boondock Saint”?.
As long as you are only refering to your words and prayer, then that’s ok.

 

[neat62]

Well there are different degrees of offense you know? I agree no one should be getting super offended here but there are different degrees of offense you know? Anyway I know I am one of the people you are talking about lol and I not offended anymore.

Good, cause I am not either!

 

[Carolinagirl411]

That’s waaay too nebulous. If a woman wants to become CEO, that’s encouraging “female empowerment” but if a man wants to he’s “power hungry”? If a woman refuses to be pushed around, she’s scoring a blow for the sisterhood but if a man takes the same attitude he’s exhibiting “dominant behavior”?

the same thing can be said the other way around…if a man shows dominant behavior he’s being a leader…if a woman shows dominant behavior she would be called a witch with a b.

No, indeed. Now couple that in with the fact that it is the woman who initiates the divorce approximately 75% of the time.

most people don’t divorce out of the blue. If a woman initiated teh divorce it prob was b/c the man cheated or was abusive.

A false dichotomy. Laws can be reformed to provide justice for everyone. And, is protecting women a higher consideration than justice? Some feminists would say yes. They’d say it’s an acceptable price to pay, if some men are convicted falsely of rape, in order to ensure the protection of women.

false accusations are unacceptable but you can’t get rid of rape laws for a few idiotic people. Majority of the women that claim to be raped Were! And those men deserve to be severely punished!

I suggest your (abnormally large) sample is skewed by selection bias. You knew these families through your professional practice didn’t you?

No I do not have a practice but I have come into contact with people due to my research in family and child development.

I absolutely reject this interpretation of parens patriae. If the mother initiates the divorce and is the one responsible the children should stay with the father, or at least a joint physical custody arrangement. If the State steps in (and it does) it becomes a kidnapper. Why not go further and remove children even from intact families, without evidence of abuse or neglect, if there is evidence children would be better off with another family? Moreover I don’t buy your argument that psychologically children tend to fare better with mothers. Look at some statistics at how children raised by single fathers do by comparison.

The state taking such liberties would make anyone uncomfortable. They seem to be doing that a lot more lately. I mean social services have been called before b/c a mother spanked their kid for throwing a temper tantrum in the grocery store. If the mother initiates the divorce for no reason then yeah the court should look into the kids staying with the father. If the father cheated or abused the mother then no they should not, more so if it was abuse.

 

[Dale_M]

**The Catholic Family **by Fr. John Corapi, explains in great detail what the Church teaches and how we are all responsible for bringing the sancity of family BACK into society!

Thank you for suggesting this CD (or CDs). I’m a bit reluctant to pay so much money to learn of his thoughts, but I will poke around on the web to see if I can find any articles which discuss his ideas.

 

[neat62]

Thank you for suggesting this CD (or CDs). I’m a bit reluctant to pay so much money to learn of his thoughts, but I will poke around on the web to see if I can find any articles which discuss his ideas.

Its a wonderful series…BUT…if you can also tune in to EWTN, Saturday evenings, Fr. Corapi’s series are run each week…1 hour segments…and if you don’t currently have access to EWTN, you can call your cable company and request it…generally it can be added at no additional cost.

Fr. Corapi is AWESOME! I have several of his DVD’s and CD’s and I don’t know of anyone currently, who is as clear and concise when speaking on matters of doctrine or issues concerning the Church’s teaching.

 

[strngrnrth]

I propose a compromise:
I won’t vote in favor of a draft if the masculist men out there won’t tell me what I can do for a living.
I won’t stop them on the street and tell them I think they should switch careers if they won’t stop me to inform me of their wishes for my grooming and clothes.
I won’t wear a tight satin miniskirt and four-inch false lashes and hang out outside a bar bumming drinks if they won’t touch me, leer at me, try to do so, or talk as if they would like to do so.
I won’t make any of my friends pay for verything if they won’t keep trying to pay for everything and then assume I’m their girlfriend if I eventually let them.
I won’t make them responsible for my hormonal reacions to hostile talk, broken promises, and other frustrations if they won’t try to hold me responsible for their hormonal reactions to my being alive.
I won’t marry one, have four kids, want a divorce, then demand custody and child support if they won’t try to tear me down on the job and harass me about being alone to apparently make me sorry until I get married.
I won’t follow TV shows where all the major male characters are stupid and useless if they will genuinely and deeply break all attachment to videos and all other media where the major female characters are toys whose lives are worth nothing.
I will let them be if they will leave me be.

 

[Dale_M]

Dale_M;3613291:

Which is a good thing - it has saved lives.

How so?

Because women could afford to leave abusive situations, leading to less suicides, and less murders.

I see what you are saying. So are we playing God by changing the way He set things up?

I don’t think so. But then, I don’t think that verse indicates how things ideally should be. We routinely alter the world to make life better.

Oh, as for Swan’s non-working link… s/he had http listed twice. Here is the working link:
haneydaw.myweb.uga.edu/twwh/aids.html

 

[leftistdestroye]

Calliso;3613587]

Well there are different degrees of offense you know? I agree no one should be getting super offended here but there are different degrees of offense you know? Anyway I know I am one of the people you are talking about lol and I not offended anymore.

I am so sick of the PC nonsense going around.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Naztakuan;3613636]

Anyone ever tell you that you sound like a “Boondock Saint”?.

Nope. But I had to find out what it meant lol. So, Thank You.

As long as you are only refering to your words and prayer, then that’s ok.

Well, I don;t know. That is actually a personal issue that I am dealing with now, so I have no official comment or position. Although, the more Catholics I see supporting abortion and other things, the more disturbed I get. When abortion becomes fully accepted, and we are on our way there now, the more I will see the Church as being attacked. When a “comment” is more disturbing than an increase of immorality(rampandt sex, abortion, divorce), then someone needs to take a stand for what is right. Right for society, right for God.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Carolinagirl411;3613656

most people don’t divorce out of the blue. If a woman initiated teh divorce it prob was b/c the man cheated or was abusive.

Though there are no real good or massive studies on it, most research say’s that abuse and/or infidelity is not the cause. Communication seems to be the leading factor. And, well, the fact that woman can just up and split if they so choose.

 

[Naztakuan]

Naztakuan;3613636]

Nope. But I had to find out what it meant lol. So, Thank You.

Well, I don;t know. That is actually a personal issue that I am dealing with now, so I have no official comment or position. Although, the more Catholics I see supporting abortion and other things, the more disturbed I get. When abortion becomes fully accepted, and we are on our way there now, the more I will see the Church as being attacked. When a “comment” is more disturbing than an increase of immorality(rampandt sex, abortion, divorce), then someone needs to take a stand for what is right. Right for society, right for God.

as long as you don’t start shooting people. Then we may
have a problem.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Dale_M;3613705]

Because women could afford to leave abusive situations, leading to less suicides, and less murders.

Yeah, but all that still goes on today.

I don’t think so. But then, I don’t think that verse indicates how things ideally should be. We routinely alter the world to make life better.

Does that include allowing abortion for a college student if she wants one? It would certainly make life better for her, in her mind.

Oh, as for Swan’s non-working link… s/he had http listed twice. Here is the working link:
haneydaw.myweb.uga.edu/twwh/aids.html

Thanks. But the original poster is a nut if she is comparing what happens to women in Africa, to anything that I had said. As a matter of fact, now I am offended.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Naztakuan;3613762]

as long as you don’t start shooting people. Then we may
have a problem.

How about if I just start beating them up?

 

[Naztakuan]

Naztakuan;3613762]

How about if I just start beating them up?

No… Because you would go to jail…and jail is not fun for men I gather.