Her Fiance:
Whoa! I didn’t say anything about sex (but it’s a lot more special if you wait till you’re married
). I was talking about manipulative, pouty, bratty gals who always have to get their way. They completely control their husbands lives, even telling them what they are going to do on their day off. It doesn’t sound like you fit the description. 
This is exactly the kind of woman I’m talking about. She is becoming the norm rather than the exception! Goodness, there are women who come to the barber shop with their husbands and tell them how they want their hair cut! Like they’re little boys! But he has to take some of the blame. He picked her!
I have five brothers…I know exactly what you are talking about…sadly, one of my brother’s who’s been married for 25 years already, is just beginning to learn this lesson! For far too long, he’s been the “sweet and nice” guy, literally waiting on his wife hand and foot, doing everything for her, including making sure that every time she gets into her car…the gas tank is filled!
He does all the cooking, the cleaning and the laundry…when the little ones wake during the night, he’s the one that gets up with them…in addition, he works a fulltime job, while she stays at home…and to top it all off, he is a diabetic, who has to wear an insulin pump 24/7.
Instead of appreciating all that he does…she treats him as if its expected and she does little to nothing for him. She’s spoiled, arrogant and highly opinionated. She does not respect him, for that matter, anyone else…because she is a product of the “I am woman, hear me roar” generation.
My husband wouldn’t put up with that, though he does do a lot around the house.People usually respond well to kindness. Whether it’s 1808 or 2008- that doesn’t matter. Most of the time if you are making an effort to please your spouse, they will want to do the same for you. How about marriage centers on the desire of the man and woman to please God in all things.
You are making some big assumptions here. First of all how do you know she would think it immature for him to skip anniversaries and what not? It sounds to me like you donlt actually know that. You are just lashing out at her and putting words in her mouth and apparently thoughts in her head.
Let’s play fair here. Isn’t that what you all want? They can make all the laws in the world to protect women from rape, but how many laws are their to protect men from deliberate, false accusations? What ever happened to the Chick from the Duke case? Nothing! A man went to prison for it(for a day, but still & he deserved it!) But what about the liar looking to shake down some guys? NOTHING. So in your eyes, it is fine and dandy to concentrate on only the women, but screw the guy, right? Not all men rape and they should not have the legal system against them! Now all women fake rape, but they should not have the legal system so far up their butts either.Wow-all the evil women in the world-you really have a mighty low opinion of women.If some do stupid **** like that are all women suspect?Are all guilty- apparently so in your eye. I have not seen one iota of compassion from you or your postings- must be lousy to be this angry all the time.Peace
I wonder.
No you don’t. The world does not revolve around your feelings and your rights are not defined by those feelings.
Sorry if I couldn’t care less what you think about me. These typical female shaming tactics won’t work on me, I’m afraid. Oh how terrible that someone should assert his rights. No, if you want to deny those rights the full apportionment of blame goes to you.
Time will tell, I suppose.
Good post, and I, for one, am doing my part to counter and/or reverse the revolution.AMENSome women have gotten really goofy! Like they are princesses and all that matters is them. If I were a man, I would not put up with it, nor would I even look twice at one of these gals. In my business (female barber) it makes me sick to hear how men are treated by their wives and girlfriends. They act like they are whipped puppies, but if they don’t comply, their lives will be even worse. What a big mistake. Nothing makes a woman nastier that a weak-acting man, IMO. When men lovingly take charge, they will get the respect they deserve and things will get back in the proper order. Please men, don’t let women take over! :eek:
If “Her Fiance” wants to discuss this let him open his own account and start posting on his own. I refuse to respond to posters by proxy.
Thanks sweety, I love you!
I know you didn’t mention anything about sex…That was more with seeking catholic…and yes waiting till marriage is the appropriate action. I have recently become Catholic so I’m trying to uphold all the rules now…I didn’t before i was Catholic.Whoa! I didn’t say anything about sex (but it’s a lot more special if you wait till you’re married
The kind of man I have in mind isn’t some sex-craving he-man. He is someone who is responsible to God for his family and their well-being, so he needs to be listened to, respected, well-fed and well-loved so he can perform all his duties. (Also it is good to smile at one’s husband when he gets home from work.) If a man gets these things he will be the most wonderful husband on earth (like mine!). Yes, it is a partnership, but most men were born to lead their families. When women resist the urge to control (my definition of submission) life can be so much sweeter for everyone. Men really are smart, so we should listen to them more.
LOL oh really? I’ll make sure to tell him that when he stops by to visit. Not sure I can convince him to create an account since he is completely disgusted by this thread, but he might just so you will actually answer him. We’ll see.
I may be making an assumption, but not a very big one. Do you know the woman alive who wouldn’t be offended and hurt if her husband didn’t do something on her anniversary? Do you know the woman alive who would say, I don’t care if my husband just goes out and plays golf. Do you know the woman alive who would accept it if her husband said, anniversaries are stupid and a waste of time and money, let’s just forget about it. Whereas in fact, if you gave them truth serum, many husbands would say just that and admit they feel manipulated by the old “if you really loved me you’d do …” whatever it is the woman happens to want him to do.
Good.
Well then do it. One of the rules to uphold is the “marriage debt” each spouse owes the other.
Drug use (though it did happen) was frowned upon in the past and rare, but widely accepted today. Sometimes, the people in the past, knew better than we do now. And if I were you, I would skip marriage. Because chances are very good that you will end up divorced. Divorce today, is like a rite of passage. Please don’t make a mockery of the Church. And you can thank the women of the last 40 years for it, whether you belive it or not.
He isn’t whipped b/c I don’t nag him, or boss him around, and I always consider his opinon.
I never said the world revolved around my feelings!!! I respect his and he respects mine! I make a decision and he accepts that and he makes a decision and I accept it. If he wanted to go out with his buds, which he has on several occasions, I never complain. He needs male companionship and time away from me. I do not dominate his whole life. I also have friends as well and he doesn’t mind when I go out with them. As long as he doesn’t cheat on me then I’m fine with whatever. I trust him whole heartedly. You seemed to ignore my other portion of the post in how I respect him and if I am feeling unwell and do not FEEL like having affectionate moments, I understand what it costs him and I try to make up for it. HE understands so that is all that matters. I wouldn’t consider a man who is sympathetic towards his wife and doesn’t decide to force himself on her when she says no is whipped, like you do, and neither does my fiance. Besides, now that I am Catholic, I wasn’t when we got engaged, I know it is wrong to have sex regardless of being engaged…and he respects my feelings on the subject even though he doesn’t follow the faith himself. So…are you saying I’m not allowed to say no to him now even though he still wants to have sex? We are working on a relationship that is built on stuff besides sex b/c during marriage there are many times when men can’t have sex when a woman may want to and vice versa. Sickness, impotence, pregnancy, menstrual cycle, etc. If he can’t have relations with me I’m not going to throw a temper tantrum and run off and forget his birthday…and same the other way around.
Not to umm…question your remarks above, but you do realize that we are called to chastity until AFTER we are married right? I am mentioning this because above you state that sometimes you “don’t feel like having sex”…so just want to be sure that you know that the Church does not condone premartial sex…regardless of whether you are engaged or not and I hope that you do not diminish the beauty of marriage by engaging in such.
I thought we were having a decent debate, and I was willing to say, we just don’t agree. but how DARE YOU say I shouldn’t get married b/c I WILL get divorced. How DARE YOU judge my moral values b/c I am a woman. I know the horrible effects of divorce and YES I see how it has damaged society since it is so prevalent. But I did not enter into this engagement lightly and I hold Christ deep within my heart! I have made a lot of changes since becoming Catholic! The main reason why people get divorced is over money, or petty squabbles, or someone loses interest and cheats. The majority of the time it is b/c of communication issues and people not letting Christ into their marriage! My fiance and I have are wonderful communicators. It is my experience in psychology and his wonderful good nature that make it so. We have always been open an honest and if there are any problems we work them out affectively. We already have a financial plan in place…and we know the economy has gone to dirt so we have plans. How DARE YOU be so judgmental, you do NOT know me or my fiance. 50% of the marriages end in divorce but 50% do not! Your marriage is just as likely to end in divorce if that is all you are basing it on, that divorce is prevalent.
oh yeah I know all that already and if you happened to read my other post you will see I am a recent convert to catholicism! Prior to that I didn’t see the big deal since we were engaged but after joining the church I see it is a mortal sin and I have changed my sinful ways…So yeah don’t preach to me I already know. I didn’t join the Catholic Church lightly.
