Both situations (being falsley accused of rape and being raped) are horrible, but we all know they happen. There are both evil men and women out there. Fortunately, forensic science has come a long way in helping free some and lock up others.
hmmm… I am not so sure. I agree that the letter is very much about praising women, but its absence of praise for men doesn’t mean that the Church considers men inferior. It means that men weren’t the center of attention in the letter. I think the letter is, in part, a response to the persistent charge that it is devalues women.
Then accept that your rights and the rights of others are not defined by those feelings.
You’re using “feel” equivocally. Of course I’m not talking about sickness.
I do consider a man whipped who tolerates withholding of sex. It’s clear manipulative behavior. That doesn’t mean he should “force himself on her”. He should confront her on it.
Don’t be silly.
We’re not talking about “can’t” but “won’t”.
Actually, not preaching…just doing the neighborly thing and trying to raise your awareness, in case you did not know or understand, because that is what we are all called to do…watch out for one another and help each other gain access to Heaven.
Well I appreciate you doing the neighborly thing and I didn’t mean to jump down your throat. It felt like with all these posts I was being attacked on all sides and I was a bit flustered. I know you were being charitable. I do apologize.
My husband and I have been married for over 33 years and we haven’t celebrated our anniversary since the 5th year. Several times we have both even forgotten it and for the last 2 years I forgot my husband’s birthday. We chuckled when we realized it. Once though my husband got me a shotgun for our anniversary which was nice since I turkey hunt. I guess I am the one woman alive who couldn’t care less if my husband doesn’t bring me flowers. Whatever he wants to do or doesn’t want to do is fine with me. I hate the manipulation of the card companies. We already know we love each other and do little things for each other every day. Also, my husband works very hard every day and spends a couple of hours at the gunsmith shop with his buddies after work every day- winding down and working on his hobby. He doesn’t drink and I trust him completely. It is so good for him. It gives me some alone time, too. If a person isn’t already happy, no one else can make them happy.
Wow, it sounds like you two complement each other very well. Your relationship sounds a lot like ours- we respect each other and each think the other is brilliant! Isn’t love cool?!!I know you didn’t mention anything about sex…That was more with seeking catholic…and yes waiting till marriage is the appropriate action. I have recently become Catholic so I’m trying to uphold all the rules now…I didn’t before i was Catholic.
and yes I smile every time I see my fiance. He’s so wonderful I can’t help it. And whenever I show up at his doorstep from my job he smiles at me too lol we are mutual smilers. I defer to his advice about things he knows and he defers to me as well when my knowledge of certain topics are more defined than his. I think we complement each other rather well. We come to decisions together and I will often tell him to make the final decision when I feel that I am not qualified and he will also do the same thing. I will not expect him to make a decision when he doesn’t really have any experience in that area. If neither of us know what to do we will ask our parents/priest/other family members.
Personally I think that is healthy and we are very happy. Besides if I let every decision fall to him we’d have a huge flat screen tv and digital cable and be $4000 in debt! hahaha
The other statement that you responded to was written by him so I will show him your response when he stops by for a visit.
Ummmm, yeah, I know. That was exactly what I meant.
I don;t have a clue as to where that came from. What is your point?
Yeah, but slavery was ended(by white men), abortion continues. AND, blacks have a higher rate of it. Ironic, aint it? And apparently yes, the more abortion is considered normal, the more it is accepted and hard to ban. Just like slavery was. And I NEVER said, implied, or suggested that slavery is or was acceptable. We all know that, NOW.
None of us would be where we are, right now, if the Founding Fathers tried to aboloish slavery at the same thime they tried to found this nation. It would not have happened. First thing was first. What would have happened? I would still live the way I do, and you would still be a slave. I think that you do owe them a bit of gratitude. And this country was fundamentally founded on freedom from the government. That is why it was called the Declaration of INDEPENDANCE.
What a stupid comment. They empowered us with the right of FREE speech. I can’t believe I actually had to point out the distinction.
Throught the eyes of priveledge??? Oh, you mean like Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Corzine, 101 million dollar Clintons? Where did their kid go? Stanford? Know where I went? I went to work. I do not know any more of this priveledge, than you do.
Talk about living in the past. If you get over the past, you may have a future.
I see I see trees of green… red roses too
Such as? I live near Chicago. Is the media lying or distorting when they tell us about how many children are murdered in the liberal ran inner city? I see rap turning young girls into whores. I see gang violence. All this is a lie, huh? Looks like your own kitchen needs some cleaning first.
Perhaps you need some better reading comprehension skills. And learn the definition of irony.
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I never said that it did.
Neither was Hamilton, what is your point?
Oh. Was that all he did? (roll eyes)
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And you see all the negatives in everything else in the world.
I said NOTHING about the world’s problems. I talked about our SOCIETY!
It was intended to remove woman’s dependance on men and her family, or lack there of.
Man, you are delusional.
Just more people are sinful today.
Well no ship! You obviously missed my ENTIRE point. You should really try to read in a more open kind of way. Not throught the eyes of a double minority, but as a person.Politicians supported slavery then like politicians support abortion now. Everyone does it…It’s normal!So what? It’s still evil. I don’t care if it’s “normal”. Abortion is normal but it’s still evil right?
Thank you so very much for your response. It was very refreshing to hear encouragement and not criticism. Really means a lot!Wow, it sounds like you two complement each other very well. Your relationship sounds a lot like ours- we respect each other and each think the other is brilliant! Isn’t love cool?!!
Sometimes when I tell people I’m not a feminist, they get the idea that I’m either a prude or that I am a slave to my husband. What can I say- I can’t say that I’ve ever felt oppressed by men. I love men (in a general way, mind you!). I love the way they think and I love to listen to them talk. I guess that’s how I ended up a barber. Perfect!
Congratulations on your engagement. :extrahappy: It sounds like you have your heads on straight and you will bring happiness to each other.
Thank you! Sounds like you have a great head on your shoulders too!!I understand what you are saying, and you said it very well…I have always said that men and women are not equal and the same but equal and complementary. That being said…I don’t view, like many others on the thread, that me wanting a job makes me like a man. I’m using all of my feminine qualities of compassion, nurturing, understanding, and my God given intelligence to be a teacher at the university level. I am extremely passionate about it. I wake up everyone morning excited to share my knowledge and experiences and to learn more about my students. I feel I am serving God in using His talents that he bestowed upon me to change the lives of young students just starting on their education. I am also able to put food on the table with this talent…I see nothing wrong with it. I just don’t understand why I’m being constantly criticized and called manly for thinking this. A woman doesn’t have to be the same as a man, hell I’m glad I’m not! The world would be no good if all people were the same. But I have the right to use my talents with a job. I’m not married yet nor do I have children. Who knows, maybe children will change my mind. My mom became a stay at home parent once we were born until we were old enough for kindergarten and then she went back to work.
We are.
So I am supposed to roll over and submit? We can say we don’t agree, but that means we are supposed to stop debating the ideas?
I didn’t judge your moral values at all.
Dosen’t everyone start out like that though?
Well, it is not true that 50% of marriages end in divorce. And I never made any personal assumptions about your or his personalities or morals. Woman are now easily capable of splitting whenever they want, and a vast majority of them do.(of the ones who divorce)
Ok I misread and thought you were. These forums are dangerous…That’s why I got upset. I thought you were saying that I personally should never get married b/c I would just end up getting divorced.
Because of the ***unintended consequences ***of, what is now mainstreamed feminism. I wouldn’t care if you had a job, as long as it didn’t have negative consequences on the rest of society. And my issues are not aimed at just you, but you, and you, and her, and them, and those women over there, and when added up, equals a large, large number of women saying the same thing. And it is THAT, the sheer numbers of it, that created big fundamental problems in society. Sure, they may have cured some other problems, but created many, critical other problems. And, I am not neccessarily making a equal comparison here, but it is like this: One cancer cell is not so bad. 1 million cancer cells are. Or a couple of guys fighting is one thing, a mob, is quite another.
Perhaps this wasn’t addressed at me, but I never said anywhere I thought your having a job made you “like a man”.
LOL oh you got that right!!! LOL
That really sucks! I cant stand infidelity, makes me want to puke. And believe me, I don’t let men off the hook either. Some of the **** they do get’s my blood boiling. Feminism has affected a lot, and men went right along with it! I work with men, and belive me, I let them have it every chance I get.
I believe you would.
No sir, that was directed at me. But, since I am here…A job is one thing. Putting off a family for a career is another. I have no issues with a woman having a job. As a matter of fact, I encourage it. I think it is healthy for both party’s. It makes me discouraged that women are taught that they can do whatever they choose, but then they are pushed only in one direction by modern society(college, careers) That actually discourges motherhood, without discouraging it. Motherhood and stay at home motherhood, is frowned upon. And that is sad. A stay at home mom, to me, is the sexiest thing around.
hahahaha ok my dunce self finally understands. I don’t think motherhood should be discouraged in any way and I can see where you are coming from…more and more women are career oriented and don’t give a care about children. Motherhood is one of the most important “jobs” a woman can have but it isn’t the only one…lol does that sound ok? I never intended to forgo children for my teaching career. As I said earlier my mother took time off work while we were in our formative years and then when back to work when we weren’t home anymore. I think that was commendable. If anyone gets career crazed, man or woman, the family suffers. Most men lose out b/c they are so busy bringing home the bacon they don’t get a chance to really interact with their kids. I think that is just as sad personally.
Ok, I should have said my personal qualities that God gave me instead of my feminine. I know some very compassionate, understanding men. lol I apologize
