Few days after same sex marriage ruling, has your parish talked about it

[QuestLove]

It is not a group of people but an activity that is condemned.Gay people usually engage in some sort of mutual masturbation which culminates in an orgasm which releases oxytocin.The hormone is the same hormone that is released during breastfeeding that causes milk to be ejected from the mothers milk ducts and bonds her to her child.This is one of the reasons it was called the “unnatural vice” because it is very addictive behavior.It is not just the orgasm but the release of powerful hormones which influence the brain and behavior.

I am not sure I get this as an argument against SSM. Oxytocin is released during sex between heterosexual couples as well and it has effects on emotion such as trust, relaxation and psychological stability. It is not only secreted during masturbation, so why is this a case against SSM?

 

[cjforJesus]

I am not sure I get this as an argument against SSM. Oxytocin is released during sex between heterosexual couples as well and it has effects on emotion such as trust, relaxation and psychological stability. It is not only secreted during masturbation, so why is this a case against SSM?

This is not an argument ,but an observation. St Augustine called sodomy(he probably was referring to anal penetration) the unnatural vice. Vice implies addictive behavior. Any sex can be addictive but I am studying perhaps if this release of hormone causes an addiction in certain people especially gays where they mistake the euphoria and psychological bonding for love.

 

[johndelacruz]

Our pastor mentioned religious liberty in the intentions, with allusions to recent threats to it - nothing directly about the marriage ruling.

On the one hand, I’d like to hear a strong word about the marriage ruling, but then again there are lots of young children in the congregation, including my own, 7 and 10, who don’t even have a concept of same-sex coupling, much less marriage, so how do you discuss such sensitive topics in a packed weekend liturgy?

And really, the pastor should affirm what the Church teaches about true marriage, and there is no need to even bring up the world’s deviations from it - affirming what we believe does not scandalize children present - but when they do encounter information in the world about the deviant versions, it will be entirely jarring and incongruous, even “silly”, when they know the Truth

What good would it be to openly denounce gay marriage from the pulpit on Sunday, when the pastor would literally be “preaching to the choir”, and cannot change a thing about it - yes it violates our core beliefs, will be the cause of intense persecution of the Church, undermines our society, will promote a Culture of Death, and in time will bring about the downfall of civilization as we know it - perhaps topics for talks outside of Mass, but not for Sunday, I don’t know, I always think of innocent children being present

 

[kozlosap]

I am sorry to disagree but I do not know any practicing Catholic who thinks sodomy is normal psychologically. It is a disordered passion much like pedophilia which is next big hurdle of the gay rights movement.

The acceptance of the disorder is due largely to a GREAT and extensive media campaign.The gay agenda has penetrated all aspects of society from education to media to law and even religion.It was inevitable because many people do not understand it and being weak minded are easily influenced. Studies have been done on how to manipulate public opinion and beliefs and even change them though extensive campaigns and utilizing high profile celebrities that people adore. Also using the intellectual approach use individuals with lots of credentials.

The priests I know say just keep the faith because the gates of hell will not prevail. We cannot succumb to evil actions but always love the sinner.We are all sinners too.

I think we must live in two different worlds!
Yes, I live on the West Coast and attend a huge parish attached to an elementary school and a prep school where the majority of the congregation is upper middle class, so the statistics concerning marriage equality and Catholics are more than true in that over 60% most likely support the recent ruling.

 

[cjforJesus]

I think we must live in two different worlds!
Yes, I live on the West Coast and attend a huge parish attached to an elementary school and a prep school where the majority of the congregation is upper middle class, so the statistics concerning marriage equality and Catholics are more than true in that over 60% most likely support the recent ruling.

Of course we live in two different worlds! I am an uneducated factory worker and not even remotely cultured. I read the Catechism and Bible and don’t see them as mere literature open to any interpretation, but the word of God.

I live in the Midwest.
I attend various parishes,my favorite one being a beautiful Marian Shrine about a half hours drive through beautiful countryside. The Carmelite friars there are very vocal in their homilies about what true marriage is.I tend to concur.

 

[phil19034]

The priest who was praying the Mass I attended at my parish mentioned it and lots of other bad things going on in the world.

He started his homily with it by saying he sometimes feels like he’s living in the Twilight Zone due to the Supreme Court ruling, ISIS, terrorist attacks, church shootings, etc.

I don’t know what my pastor said or didn’t say.

Our Bishop (Archbishop Chaput) also released a statement shortly after the ruling was announced. Also our Archdiocese, which already had a Fortnight for Religious Freedom prayer session scheduled for Sunday night, sent and eMail discussing how important it is to pray for Religious Freedom especially in light for this disastrous ruling.

 

[wild_thing]

I mentioned this in the other thread about the topic, but I’ll repeat it here. We had a visiting priest from a neighboring parish and he did mention it, asking us to fast and do other acts of penance for our country. I’m repeating this because it sounds like in most parishes there has been a deafening silence.

 

[Midwest88]

No. My current parish doesn’t raise these types of issues. It’s fine if were living during “peace time” but the Catholic Church, at least in my eyes, is on the verge of war. Then again I can’t remember any priest talking about same-sex relationships in my entire life as I attended mass.

 

[Midwest88]

Nothing at the morning mass. I doubt that anything will be said about it at the eleven a.m. mass because it is the same priest. I will be attending a five p.m. mass with a friend at another parish, so I will see if they say anything. I don’t have a problem with the ruling, and I am not interested in the semantics of what they call it. Some churches approve of it, some other religions do, and so do most atheists and agnostics. In a perfect world we would all be Catholic and then we could make civil rules based upon our beliefs. As it is, I don’t plan on having a same sex marriage, nor if I become a priest will I ever sanctify a marriage contrary to church teaching. As to children, homosexuality is already seen as normal and in many states they could adopt kids without being married. Adoption is a separate issue. Fwiw, my parents were sinners in a big way and the Holy Spirit still lead me right. Never underestimate the Holy Spirit regardless of the traditions and sins of secular society.

What a depressing post.

bold: Your passivity and nonchalant attitude is telling.

 

[Midwest88]

This is what Archbishop Blase Cupich wrote about the ruling.

archdioceseofchicago.org/news_releases/news_2015/stmnt_150628.html

This week the Supreme Court of the United States issued two rulings with particular meaning for the Catholic Church.

In the first, the Court preserved subsidies for the 6.4 million low-income Americans who depend on them to purchase health insurance under the Affordable Care Act. We have issues with provisions of that legislation and will continue to advocate to preserve our religious freedom. However, we understand that for millions of individuals and families, most of them the working poor, this decision preserves access to health care and the promise it offers of a healthier, longer life.

In the second decision, the United States Supreme Court has ruled that two persons of the same sex have a constitutional right to marry each other. In doing so, the Court has re-defined civil marriage. The proposed reason for the ruling is the protection of equal rights for all citizens, including those who identify themselves as gay. The rapid social changes signaled by the Court ruling call us to mature and serene reflections as we move forward together. In that process, the Catholic Church will stand ready to offer a wisdom rooted in faith and a wide range of human experience.

It is important to note that the Catholic Church has an abiding concern for the dignity of gay persons. In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” (n. 2358). This respect must be real, not rhetorical, and ever reflective of the Church’s commitment to accompanying all people. For this reason, the Church must extend support to all families, no matter their circumstances, recognizing that we are all relatives, journeying through life under the careful watch of a loving God.

It is also important to stress that the Supreme Court’s redefinition of civil marriage has no bearing on the Catholic Sacrament of Matrimony, in which the marriage of man and woman is a sign of the union of Christ and the Church. In upholding our traditional concept of marriage, we are called to support those who have entered into this sacred and loving bond with God and each other.

This will be especially important for the members of our own Church as we walk together, respectful not only of the political demands of equality, but above all else, guided by the higher claims of divine revelation. Our aim in all of this will be to hold fast to an authentic understanding of marriage which has been written in the human heart, consolidated in history, and confirmed by the Word of God.

In other words “there is civil marriage and there is sacremental/authentic marriage.” Live and let live. The sky isn’t falling. Keep in mind that Illinois’ bishops practically let same-sex “marriage” waltz into the state.

 

[DCNBILL]

Our pastor did a wonderful homily on the shooting in SC, the new encyclical and the same sex ruling. He tied them in together very nicely as well.

 

[powerofk]

What a depressing post.

bold: Your passivity and nonchalant attitude is telling.

Unfortunately, regardless of passivity or nonchalant attitude, the previous poster is right. The problem is that children are seen as commodities instead of gifts from God. And it all goes back to the contraceptive mentality.

 

[pnewton]

Our priest spoke at length at every Mass this weekend. He preached it well. In short.

1. He did not want to suggest these relationships between two men or two women were not real and they do not love each other.
2. But whatever the relationship is, it is not, and never will be marriage.
3. Marriage is always, and must always be, between a man and a woman.
4. The change that has come is rooted in people with good intentions wanting to be fair.
5. Life is not “fair”. The decisions we make in life and things beyond our control will always limit our choices.
6. Panic about priests and Christians going to jail is unwarranted.
7. He sees the worst case my be a separation of the Sacrament from civil marriage, as it is in Mexico, where one is married by the state in a civil ceremony, then the priest confers the Sacrament of Matrimony.
8. He sees this as a real loss to the symbolism of what true marriage is.

 

[Midwest88]

I think we must live in two different worlds!
Yes, I live on the West Coast and attend a huge parish attached to an elementary school and a prep school where the majority of the congregation is upper middle class, so the statistics concerning marriage equality and Catholics are more than true in that over 60% most likely support the recent ruling.

What is with your and ? It seems like your post is filled with condescension.

“Well I live on the West coast filled with educated, upper-middle class, open-minded Catholics whose children attend prep schools. They’re in favor the ruling because they have personal experience with the LGBT and don’t let group definitions dictate their opinions on them.”

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[Midwest88]

Unfortunately, regardless of passivity or nonchalant attitude, the previous poster is right. The problem is that children are seen as commodities instead of gifts from God. And it all goes back to the contraceptive mentality.

I know the poster is right. He’ll have a heck of a time if he ever becomes a priest explaining why same-sex attraction is wrong, and why the Church is right, to the entire generation that sees such a things as normal as dogs barking.

 

[Midwest88]

Of course we live in two different worlds! I am an uneducated factory worker and not even remotely cultured. I read the Catechism and Bible and don’t see them as mere literature open to any interpretation, but the word of God.

You’re too hard on yourself and you don’t give yourself enough credit. After reading your past posts on this thread in response to other posters you have more common sense and Truth than the so-called educated and so-called cultured that you put yourself below.

 

[newcalling]

I know the poster is right. He’ll have a heck of a time if he ever becomes a priest explaining why same-sex attraction is wrong, and why the Church is right, to the entire generation that sees such a things as normal as dogs barking.

You are correct here. I don’t think that my attitude was nonchalant, just realistic. I don’t believe in forcing the rest of society to live by our beliefs, but instead I pray for the Holy Spirit to work in their hearts so that they will want to. I hope that I will become a priest eventually (too new in the church to do so right away) and I hope that seminary will prepare me for such challenges, including when it comes to the sanctity of marriage at all given modern television. I am disgusted at how our society treats marriage, but all I can do is pray and speak gently and lovingly to those who will listen. If I become a priest, I also hope that my parish will pray for me as much as I and others pray for my priest and other priests. Prayer and the Holy Spirit are our greatest strength.