Fifty Years of the Catholic Charismatic Movement: 1967-2017

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Well finally got this very good read so far on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit by the International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services . It has nice quotations from Pope Francis . Highly recommend for every Catholic wanting to deepen their faith in Christ. You won’t be disappointed.

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It’s also important to note that many Pentecostals subscribe to the heresy of Tritheism, knowingly or not, and treat the Third Person of the Trinity as if He acts completely independently of the Father and the Son. It is one of the easier heresies to succumb to, if I’m not mistaken. Seems like it might be a particular danger to poorly catechized Charismatic Catholics.
 
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Baptism in the Holy Spirit is NOT a sacrament. It is an epiclesis, if you will, during intense prayer to the Spirit.

Regardless, it just flat out works.
 
I agree there are risks associated with any kind of renewal movement for poorly catechized Catholics, but charismatics are better catechized than most. They tend to regard “truth” as something definite and objective. I first encountered the books of C. S. Lewis and G. K. Chesterton at prayer meetings.

I found charismatics educated after 1965 to be occasionally weak in knowledge of the faith but persons in other movements, like peace and justice, to be far worse.
 
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I found charismatics educated after 1965 to be occasionally weak in knowledge of the faith but persons in other movements, like peace and justice, to be far worse
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Here’s what our past Pope said:

"Pope John Paul II called the Renewal a “gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church” (March 14, 1992). And on the eve of Pentecost 2004 he stated, “Thanks to the Charismatic Movement, a multitude of Christians, men and women, young people and adults, have rediscovered Pentecost as a living reality in their daily lives. I hope that the spirituality of Pentecost will spread in the church as a renewed incentive to prayer, holiness, communion and proclamation.”

https://diolaf.org/history-of-catholic-charismatic-renewal
 
It seems to me that these charismatics hold the so-called “second baptism” in higher regard than their actual baptism.
 
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It seems to me that these charismatics hold the so-called “second baptism” in higher regard than their actual baptism
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Pope Francis is calling us to experience this.
"In Rome this summer Pope Francis told 1,000 priests to share Baptism in the Spirit with their congregations.

Addressing a worldwide retreat for clergy at St John Lateran Church in Rome, the Pope reminded his audience of priests and bishops from 90 countries that they were dispensers of grace, and could never love or forgive too much.

“Speaking of dispensers of grace, I ask each and all of you that as part of the current of grace of Charismatic Renewal you organise seminars of Life in the Spirit in your parishes and seminaries, schools, in neighborhoods, to share Baptism in the Spirit,” said Francis.

“It is catechesis. It is catechesis that produces, by the work of the Holy Spirit, the personal encounter with Jesus who changes our life."
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http://www.ccr.org.uk/articles/pope-tells-priests-run-life-in-the-spirit-courses/
 
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No one disputes that Pope JPII and his successors have said good things about Charismatic groups when he addresses them.

The Pope saying nice things, giving praise to a group for the good they have done, is very nice. It does not equate that the Church determines the thing or group is somehow official, suggested to all, or absolutely without fault/error.

Popes have called many groups and things “a gift from God” or has said other very nice things, Pope Francis called the internet and social medial a gift from God.

John Paul II, address to the Catholic community of Ankara, Turkey, November 29, 1979:

After quoting Nostra Aetate 3, as given above, he says: “My brothers, when I think of this spiritual heritage (Islam) and the value it has for man and for society, its capacity of offering, particularly in the young, guidance for life, filing the gap left by materialism, and giving a reliable foundation to social and juridical organization, I wonder if it is not urgent, precisely today when Christians and Muslims have entered a new period of history, to recognize and develop the spiritual bonds that unite us, in order to preserve and promote together for the benefit of all men, ‘peace, liberty, social justice and moral values’ as the Council calls upon us to do (Nostra Aetate 3).

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-te...can-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm
 
Charismatic-style worship is most definitely not my thing. The Vatican says it’s valid, so I accept that. I experience God’s Holy Spirit in nature, in my writing at times, and in many unexpected ways and moments, some quite “small.” And that’s all I need.
 
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Pope Francis is not just saying nice things. He’s telling the leaders of the church to spread this renewal to all.

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“Speaking of dispensers of grace, I ask each and all of you that as part of the current of grace of Charismatic Renewal you organise seminars of Life in the Spirit in your parishes and seminaries, schools, in neighborhoods, to share Baptism in the Spirit,” said Francis
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Spread this message everywhere!!! Yes, Pope, I obey!!!
 
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I think most of us here have heard of the Charismatic Movement by now, Victor. It just isn’t the best fit for everyone. It’s neither necessary or required to assist at a Charismatic-style Mass. It’s a valid option, according to the Vatican. But there are other, equally valid options.
 
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Pope Francis also spoke against using air conditioning, urged us to welcome immigrants, to cease manufacturing guns and all weapons. Pope Francis has strong opinions, and they are something we should consider, however, Pope Francis speaks as himself in these things, he is not speaking Ex Cathedra.
 
Nor are the seminars the Pope encourages going to be right for every parish. I’m sure the Pope recognizes that. I’m quite sure they wouldn’t fly in either of my parishes-of-record.
 
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Pope Francis speaks as himself in these things, he is not speaking Ex Cathedra.
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So his words don’t mean anything if they’re not Ex Cathedra? Isn’t our Pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

Our CC Catechism affirms pretty heavy authority as chief Pastor.
402 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
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I wonder if charismatic renewal is sort of comparable to an approved private Revelation. Like devotion to Fatima, it has had mostly good fruit. Both offer a powerful appeal to some Catholics, a moderate appeal to some other Catholics, and no appeal to other good Catholics.

Neither is necessary for salvation. A few fanatics in both camps go to extremes. But on the whole both Fatima and charismatic s have had a positive influence on some individuals, parishes and dioceses.
 
I’ve been to Fatima 2 times. And other locations.
I thought the supernatural happing in yougosalva. Medgiori . was interesting.

A lot of info on that place.
 
People in the Charismatic Renewal believe that it is the current grace of the Holy Spirit to renew the people of faith.

Considering million upon million of Catholics all over the world have experienced a renewal of their faith, it seems to make sense that this is one of the major actions of the Holy Spirit.

The Charismatic Renewal should be seen as such without claiming it into something which it is not.

Just for information, there will be major reorganisation of the Charismatic Renewal in the Vatican under a single body from private association of the laity to a public one. It will be a discastry of its own, an official part of the Catholic Church. This announcement should be out by September this year according to the recently completed meeting of the Fraternity of the Covenant Communities in Augusta, Georgia, last fortnight.

Then it will be a foregone conclusion that the Charismatic Renewal is truly a part of the Church binding on the local ordinaries, which is not to be debated anymore.
 
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Charismatic-style worship is most definitely not my thing. The Vatican says it’s valid, so I accept that. I experience God’s Holy Spirit in nature, in my writing at times, and in many unexpected ways and moments, some quite “small.” And that’s all I need.
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That’s totally understandable. Even in my Evangelical days, before I went Pentecostal, people in those church would tell me the same exact thing as you. Some Evangelical would tell me the outpouring of the Holy Spirit ended with the Apostles, and its NOT for today. This is why I had to switched to the Pentecostal, who believed what Jesus promised to all his believers.

Now where the Pentecostals went wrong they believed the initial evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues for all people. This forced many of them to force a fake tongues so they could be accepted into their church.
 
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