Fifty Years of the Catholic Charismatic Movement: 1967-2017

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I have no problem with renewing our baptismal promises.
The life in the Spirit teaches us how to live each moment of each day based upon those promises, and to use the charisms that the Spirit sealed within us during the Sacrament. I wonder why you would have a problem with that?
 
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I have no problem with renewing our baptismal promises.
The life in the Spirit teaches us how to live each moment of each day based upon those promises, and to use the charisms that the Spirit sealed within us during the Sacrament. I wonder why you would have a problem with that?
I agree, which is what we often notice in those who are against the life in the Spirit. In other place, I said this is out of ignorance of what a life in the Spirit is about, which contributes pretty much to the problem.

Sometimes, it can be just due to spiritual envy, which is not uncommon in parishes and dioceses. Again this usually arises because there is no understanding of the real issue.

Theoretically, every baptised Christians should live a life in the Spirit by virtue we were given the Holy Spirit in our Baptism.

The reality is many Christians, not all, do not know better and do not live better in the Spirit like they should. That should pose a big question. Why?

Where is the Holy Spirit, which should be in all of us? While many Catholics, not necessary in the CCR only, are strengthened by the Holy Spirit as they live out their faith, many do not.

We should want, should desire, should ask, that the Holy Spirit is active in our life to claim the beautiful promise by Jesus that when the Spirit comes, He will come with power.

Power to overcome … sins and things we need to overcome in our lives as it did to the apostles and the early Christians who received the Holy Spirit, the Lord the Giver of life, and life in abundance.
 
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So his words don’t mean anything if they’re not Ex Cathedra? Isn’t our Pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
It appears TheLittleLady has rejected the authority of the ordinary magesterial teaching of the Church. Let us pray for her, that she may return to the One Faith.
50 years since pentacostalism entered the church…
Don’t be absurd, Lost4words. There are no authentic action of the Holy Spirit that did not originate in the Catholic Church.

Did you not know that the New Testament is a collection of Catholic writings? The entire thing was written by, for, and about Catholics. There is nothing in it that is not Catholic!
You will find a Charismatic, perhaps sitting next to you in the pew attending daily traditional Latin mass.
I certainly hope he does. Maybe that will defer some of the prejudice?

There is no such thing.
let’s help the Church be what it already is
I think this is what being on fire with the Holy Spirit is all about!
 
Theoretically, every baptised Christians should live a life in the Spirit by virtue we were given the Holy Spirit in our Baptism.
I think that many people are not well catechized in these gifts. When I was in Confirmation preparation, we only talked about the character gifts of the HS from Isaiah. There was never any mention of the charismatic gifts.
The reality is many Christians, not all, do not know better and do not live better in the Spirit like they should.
I meet far too many Catholics who think that the life of faith is only hard work, to the extent that they do not experience joy in believing. It is as if the concept of walking by grace, through faith, was never acquired.
Power to overcome … sins and things we need to overcome in our lives as it did to the apostles and the early Christians who received the Holy Spirit, the Lord the Giver of life, and life in abundance.
This is so critical to walking successfully in a Spirit filled life. It is not we ourselves, by our own power that we can overcome sin, or follow the commandments. In order to grasp the truth that 'his commandments are not burdensome" we must be able to yield to the One who is within us who is Greater. This means abandoning ego and trusting in Him.
 
This is all very simple!

Don’t like it?

Then, don’t participate!

Since it is and has been approved for decades, the problem for many is resisting the urge to badmouth what they simply do not understand.

The old “They are drunk on new wine” bit.

Read James 3. Read Matthew 12:34-37.

Knowledge is power. Control of the tongue is even more powerful.
 
The Holy Spirit would not contradict Himself, the Church and the Magisterium
True. This is why charismatic communities need to submit to the authority of their local bishop. Abuses are visible at the local level early on.
But having said that, the strengths of the movement far out weigh the negatives. I find in my diocese charismatics far more responsive to the need for prolife action, evangelism, and the role of the supernatural in Catholicism in general. The abuses I saw among charismatics locally rarely involved the leaders, and were much milder than what I saw among other Catholic movements.
 
I read my way into the Church. Have read the earliest Church Fathers and have read writings that span the life of the Church. Never, not once, has the teaching on the Trinity been overlooked, has the Holy Ghost been “forgotten”. Could you point me to at least the centuries when the Holy Ghost was forgotten? I honestly want to know what I have overlooked.
 
The Holy Spirit works has been seen in individuals throughout the ages in Beatified Saints. They performed the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Today we have on mass scale.
 
Our Baptism is a Sacrament. “Baptism in the Holy Spirit”, a term used by charismatic Catholics, is a renewal in the Holy Spirit that we have already received.

(I need renewal every day.)
 
(I need renewal every day.)
Yes, I pray every morning for God to fill me afresh with the Holy Spirit. If we don’t do this ever morning, and we end up going dead in the Spirit, there a good chance you’ll wake away from the faith, and even risk eternal separation from Christ. The risks are too high to not live a Spirit filled life.
 
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What would you say about ecumenical communities?
I participate in those every day, if you count Evangelical and Pentecostal praise and worship music. Maybe because I haven’t been exposed yet, but I haven’t found any Spirit filled modern Catholic artists. Anybody know any?
 
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True. This is why charismatic communities need to submit to the authority of their local bishop. Abuses are visible at the local level early on.
What would you say about ecumenical communities?
A good Ecumenical community should have within it a Catholic fellowship, with a priest chaplain approved/appointed by the bishop. (There would ideally be other fellowships for other faith communities). This is how it sometimes is done. The Fellowships would likely gather separately for Sunday services, and denomination specific catachesis. The Catholic chaplain would keep up communication with the bishop, as would the respective Protestant communities with their regional Shepherd.

This is different from non denominational communities, which I do not support.
 
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A good Ecumenical community should have within it a Catholic fellowship, with a priest chaplain approved/appointed by the bishop. (There would ideally be other fellowships for other faith communities). This is how it sometimes is done. The Fellowships would likely gather separately for Sunday services. The Catholic chaplain would keep up communication with the bishop, as would the respective Protestant communities with their regional Shepherd.
I’m not clear on why the community should be integrated with Sunday worship at all. Is that necessary? Most ecumenical charismatic communities don’t have their own church (or churches).
 
Ok, Ecumenical communities do not have to have Sunday worship services necessarily. They could go to their separate RC or Protestant parish. That might be better. I am just pointing out this as an option. Lots of Catholic groups have their own non parish Sunday services. I have gone to campus ministry, k of c Masses, Latin Mass , Mass at shrine, convent, and others.

Some Ecumenical communities are in isolated areas, or on campuses where no parish is convenient. In so.e cases the community is residential. If the bishop wants the chaplain to ensure Catholic identity and monitor spiritual stabilit, he might prefer the Catholics go to Mass with this chaplain.
 
Ok, Ecumenical communities do not have to have Sunday worship services necessarily. They could go to their separate RC or Protestant parish. That might be better. I am just pointing out this as an option. Lots of Catholic groups have their own non parish Sunday services. I have gone to campus ministry, k of c Masses, Latin Mass , Mass at shrine, convent, and others.

Some Ecumenical communities are in isolated areas, or on campuses where no parish is convenient. In so.e cases the community is residential. If the bishop wants the chaplain to ensure Catholic identity and monitor spiritual stabilit, he might prefer the Catholics go to Mass with this chaplain.
That would be how it goes in an Ecumenical Community. Catholics would go to mass in their church and the others respectively. Depending on their resources, some Communities do have priests of their own to facilitate a dedicated sacramental life.

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An Ecumenical Community does not have to have Sunday services. Catholics are still Catholics and they would have mass in their parish if they do not have a church in the Community.

A dedicated Community like the one in Augusta, where they live in cluster, do have a Catholic church within the cluster where they would go for mass.
 
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Just a note about the Charismatic gifts, as it were…

Coming from Protestant groups I have seen and heard many disturbing ideas.

For example, unless you speak in tongues you do not have the Spirit and thus are doomed to hell (what my mother’s church teaches).

Or that falling to the floor in a seizure, losing all control of your body and barking like a dog is a sign of the Spirit…

I have also watched a man stand up in church and prophesy in a foreign language and then translate for himself. Everything he said did not come true. In fact the church he prophesised in ceased to exist within months of his visit despite him saying it would flourish.

I have felt evil unlike anything I have ever felt in my life while at tent gatherings and worship meetings… My soul literally turned in disgust. It’s a feeling I can’t truly describe or explain.

I was forced to take a test to determine what my gift was. Ironically I was told I have discernment of spirit but when I tried to tell them they were invoking the ‘wrong spirit’ and I could feel it in my soul, they told me I was mocking the Holy Spirit and had to shut my mouth.

I witnessed ‘healers’ who would touch a person and declare them healed in Jesus name, just for the same person they ‘healed’ to die within weeks, or get sicker.

I have seen people bind spirits in Jesus name.

I have seen them demand that God give them wealth and material things because they believed in order to receive from God you must TAKE what you want.

And after all of that I somehow came home to quiet, gentle, peaceful liturgy of the Catholic Church. I am quite glad there are no Charismatic Churches where I live. I feel like I have PTSD and such services would cause me great distress.

I think as the Charismatic Movement is approved that I am in no position to say they are bad or wrong but having seen what I’ve seen I’d suggest approaching with great caution and humility.
 
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