Fight Poverty! Raise taxes?

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Sure.

Again it seems the fundamental axiom we differ on is “who creates the job”.

You say the man. I say the market. The man just hired someone to help capture additional market share he can’t capture on his own.
 
That’s cyclical and not particularly useful imo.

Cost get passed to consumers who pay more so corps can keep paying employees (and shareholders) so they can consume.

You’ve just described inflation.
 
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Intelligence plays a VERY large role in predicting success. Sucks to say but it’s the cold hard truth.

There’s not a whole lot you can do for people with low IQs…

I’ll bet the one thing that the one thing the successful people who have pulled themselves out of poverty and oppression have in common is above average intelligence.
I can see this.

But I also know people who are very intelligent (high test scores in high school standardized exams, possess many talents and practical skills, etc.)–but they just don’t want to work.

How do we deal with that? The Bible says, “If a person doesn’t work, they don’t get to eat.” (my paraphrase!). Is that what we should do?

I honestly don’t know. It stymies me.
 
I find that to largely be a myth. In a particular County in my home state nearly 90% are on some sort of social assistance. If you were to take the social assistance away from those folks, there simply is not enough job opportunity to provide for those people. Not by a long shot.

This is the truth for literally every County in my state although most of them aren’t at anything like 90% assistance rates. That’s just a particularly bad one.
 
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It would be interesting to see the books for the various charities that help the poor and see if donations are up over previous years and more people are being helped
I’ve helped out at the parish food bank for quite a few years…donations are up, the number of needy families is down, and some who needed help previously are now working and ‘paying it forward’ by donating time and money to help their neighbors.
 
I’m sorry, but that’s a strawman argument and I won’t bite.
A strawman argument is one in which the opponent’s position has been unfairly exaggerated or otherwise misstated, so as to make it an easier target. The statement to which I was responding suggested that a sales tax might be better than “penalizing people for working” which implies that some tax does that. The only assumption I made was that this is a reference to the income tax. I can’t think of any other tax that comes close. And then I pointed out that not even the income tax exactly represents penalizing work. That’s not a strawman.
 
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I’ll bet the one thing that the one thing the successful people who have pulled themselves out of poverty and oppression have in common is above average intelligence.
Maybe. But I’ve seen some very rich people who don’t seem particularly smart. But they are willing to work. And I’ve seen some pretty smart people who don’t want to do the work it takes to get rich.
 
For sure. I’m talking about the 10% or so of the population that the military won’t even take because of their intelligence level. Chances are, these people are not going to be super successful in life.

What do we do with people like this?
 
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I honestly don’t know either Peeps. I’m afraid I have nothing more of value to contribute unfortunately. 😐
 
For sure. I’m talking about the 10% or so of the population that the military won’t even take because of their intelligence level. Chances are, these people are not going to be super successful in life.

What do we do with people like this?
It’s not as though the military will take nearly anyone; lately they have been pretty selective. But I’ve also known people who were less intelligent than the median, but who learned to do a particular job well and made a living doing it.
 
Question is, can they continue to make a good living at it?

Automation is in the process of taking millions of jobs away.

What happens to people who do not have the ability to take on more technologically sophisticated jobs?
 
To an extent. Folks would have much more difficulty paying off houses if there weren’t any. The 1st payment on your $100,000 house in 1990 was a little stiff to make. The last payment, of the same amount, in 2020 would be a pittance. All thanks to inflation.
 
I’ve helped out at the parish food bank for quite a few years…donations are up, the number of needy families is down, and some who needed help previously are now working and ‘paying it forward’ by donating time and money to help their neighbors.
I suspected that might be the case. When unemployment is low and wages are rising, people generally have enough goodness in their hearts to share from their blessings. Widely distributing wealth drawn from the 1% just doesn’t trickle down as efficiently as it does at the local level. Thank you for sharing your experience.
 
And that’s the secret. Figuring out what people CAN do and training them to do it. How we go about figuring that out is waaaaaay above my pay grade.
 
Unionized labour has lost much of its capacity to bring about wage growth,
Unionized labour has never had the capacity to bring about wage growth. It is a redistributive mechanism.
 
Unionized labour has never had the capacity to bring about wage growth. It is a redistributive mechanism.
Unionization tends to be present largely at the low end, but where numbers are large. Certainly unionized labour contributed to growth or maintenance of labour’s share of national income in the past. Less so (in some jurisdictions at least) in the last 20 years or so.
 
Haha the cynic in me will point out that that is the main reason (after vote-buying) that overtime laws were passed in the first place. Ideally we’d just get rid of both progessive tax rates and mandatory overtime pay. It’d be interesting to see how much incomes increased in different industries afterwards.
 
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