Fight Poverty! Raise taxes?

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vsedriver said:
and what was the demand for houses 20 years ago? Prices are dictated by demand. If no one wants to live in Melbourne house prices will drop quickly. If there a large worker pool then wages don’t rise. If there are no new jobs created then wages don’t rise.

it has nothing to do with GREED. The market determines values.
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LoL its more complicated than that but it’s up to u if u want to ignore the corruption that is around and just play along
 
vsedriver said:
it may be corrupt where you live but around here, housing is cheap.
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Where? City? Town?
I’d love to get out of the city. Live near a quiet little town with a little church, closer to nature and in turn closer to God I feel out there.
 
we don’t rate as large as a town. I live in a ‘village’ in north central Ohio. It’s legal to own horses inside the village proper, that’s how rural it is. But the streets are paved! Lots of nature.
 
Sounds so serene, away from the madness, far from the noise and the darkness of the city.
I hope u had a lovely Christmas and may God bless you for 2020.
 
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A job no matter how lowly raises them out of poverty?

Huge swaths of the service industry- people with jobs - live in poverty.
 
Catch 22. Big cities are squalor and small towns bereft of economic opportunities
 
Worldwide, the best way to get wealthy is to be born to wealthy parents.

Old schoolmates with poor parents are usually poor. Middling, middling. Wealthy, wealthy.

And no wonder. Your upbringing instills your paradigm. That’s not changed with a switch flip.
 
vsedriver said:
What house market boom? Housing values are controlled by demand. Unless there is a demand for housing, housing prices don’t go up
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Exactly and big companies can drive demand for housing very high and very fast, essentially driving prices up and making it harder to find affordable housing (not to mention owning a house).
 
One thing that can also really drive up housing prices are outside investors who buy homes for investment purposes.

You can see this happen in places like Vancouver, Honolulu, and Sydney where China’s nouveau rich snap up houses in these places.

Meanwhile housing prices are out of reach for the locals.
 
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vsedriver said:
it has nothing to do with GREED. The market determines values.
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The market is not some pure unsullied thing that is totally fair and incorruptible.

The market, just like anything can be gamed. Now it is rigged against the common individual and small businesses.
 
vsedriver said:
. I live in a ‘village’ in north central Ohio.
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I’ve agreed with your responses here, and now I know why…I live in a township in Northeast Ohio…nice parish…affordable housing…my neighbors have horses…good schools…plenty of jobs for anyone who wants to work…I’ll never be rich, but that was never my goal…life is good!!
 
Peeps said:
There is a part of me that wants to say, “let them starve.” But I think that we all need to remember that they were not raised well, and be grateful that, but for the grace of God, we would be in the same boat. And like i said, the Christian approach is to provide them with their needs.
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Merry Christmas Mrs!

Yeah, isn’t this a big issue, a lot of people don’t have friends or family they can rely on (in fact, their social circles, if any) and poorer communities simply lack resources (like I heard from somewhere saying they have less non profits per capita) and have more problems and thus need help?
 
Hume said:
And no wonder. Your upbringing instills your paradigm.
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How do you think we can reorient the system to help address that major issue, a lot of people may simply don’t have family to fall back on or are handicapped or set back by their experiences with family like growing up in a dysfunctional household? Policy wise, what can be done for that?
 
repentant2 said:
The top 1% pay 46% of income taxes. The bottom 50% of Americans pay zero. So again this isn’t really a tax issue.
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The top 1% owns 40% of the nation’s wealth and makes 19.3% of the total income. To be in that top 1% in 2013, a taxpayer needed to make at least $480,930 annually. The median household income in 2013 was $52,250. That means these top tax payers were all making AT LEAST NINE TIMES the median income.

Think about that. One percent own 40% of the wealth and the other 99% combined own 60%.
The top 1% make no less than NINE TIMES the MEDIAN income. Take 50% off the top of that in taxes, and they’re still making 4.5 times as much as median-income earners.


I can see why you say this “isn’t really a tax issue.” It is obviously an income inequality issue.

The income share being claimed by the top 1% is at the highest level since 1928 (AND that is excluding capital gains, so it doesn’t count how the capital investments of the top 1% are increasing in value!)
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(The top 0.1% of tax returns were a minimum of 2.2 million dollars. That’s more like 42 TIMES the median income. Maybe somebody making a lot of money is underpaying somebody else or benefiting from the underpayment of somebody else?)
 
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Hume said:
Your upbringing instills your paradigm. That’s not changed with a switch flip.
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Paradigm? How about your parents can also hand you your opportunities, not to mention hand on their productive wealth to you? The poor not only don’t inherit trust funds from their parents; they are lucky to be able to find the money to have them buried.

We’re Christians. We don’t need to figure out ways to help anybody become wealthy. If that happens, it happens, but Christian governance has more to do with setting up society so that people who do productive work can provide for their familes and live a dignified life.

Those Catholics are worthy of all praise-and they are not a few-who, understanding what the times require, have striven, by various undertakings and endeavors, to better the condition of the working class by rightful means. They have taken up the cause of the working man, and have spared no efforts to better the condition both of families and individuals; to infuse a spirit of equity into the mutual relations of employers and employed; to keep before the eyes of both classes the precepts of duty and the laws of the Gospel - that Gospel which, by inculcating self restraint, keeps men within the bounds of moderation, and tends to establish harmony among the divergent interests and the various classes which compose the body politic.
Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum (55), 1891
 
This is precisely the difference between big government liberals and small government conservatives. The liberals believe in creeping closer and closer to a completely centralized system that “creates” a utopia whereby all people are forced not to be evil immoral uncharitable and so forth such that no one will ever be poor or hungry again and all will be fair and equal.
 
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