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Omaestre
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Consider yourself and your parish lucky then, even in my small country with only 1 diocese where there are at least two parishes that have this type of liturgical feel good music.
Fighting over liturgy distorts purpose of Mass, papal liturgist says
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Phemie
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Bet you won’t believe me if I tell you that Kumbaya has been sung at least twice in the past 2 months as a Communion hymn at our Saturday evening Mass – but I’m telling the truth.
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JimR-OCDS
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JimR-OCDS
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Probably having something to do with race tensions these days.
Here’s an article on the song’s origins and meaning.
The Mass I attend, Saturday Vigil Mass, is attended by prodominately eldely people like myself.
The music is border line horrible, but it’s reverent.
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Contra_Mundum_1
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Since the mass is so central to our faith we should most certainly fight for the proper way to worship. Our church is not based on relativism, so it is absurd to even bring in personal prefrence when it comes to liturgy. Objectivity is needed. For that reason I am all for fighting relativism and hippie nonsense.
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ringil
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The Pope disagrees with you.
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JimG
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That’s amazing to me. I haven’t heard that sung in church since the mid 1970’s. During the same period of time we had a couple of singers who sang Simon and Garfunkel songs before Mass. Quite a change from the Laudate hymnal with which I had grown up. Maybe they could try “O Sacrament Most Holy” on ocassion for a communion hymn.
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Contra_Mundum_1
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So? He has the right to express his opinion.
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ProVobis
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And here we are, fighting over an article about not fighting.
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Tantum_ergo
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So true. But at least so far we are actually conforming to the article in that at least so far, all the posters are not actually fighting with the priests, liturgists, etc. We come here looking more for understanding and fellowship. If some people have had their own difficulties, it helps hearing from others. Sometimes it just helps hearing either “This too shall pass” or “yes, we know how you feel, let’s keep up the prayers”.And here we are, fighting over an article about not fighting.
What doesn’t help (IMO) is being either jumped on (“What? You must want to drag us back to the Middle Ages, you elitist snob. Who made YOU the judge of what is 'right” – while the poor stunned person is reeling because he or she expressed enjoyment of say Tantum ergo
and is now apparently singlehandedly trying to deny every other person in the world any other music EVER) or made to feel like a schmuck for even bringing it up (“What? People are starving and YOU are worried about a stupid song/word change? How can you be such a Pharisee? Would JESUS be concerned, no He would embrace everything. Shut up unless you have something to express that > think worthwhile. Shut UP you’re wrong, shut up.”(I am NOT saying that anybody here said any of the above; no way! They haven’t. But heaven knows in the many years I’ve been here, I have seen all too many topics degenerate into exactly that kind of 'let’s shut the discussion off NOW"). But I think there is room to let people ‘talk’ instead of dismissing them, and these forums are really where this should be happening.
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Contra_Mundum_1
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We can’t help it.And here we are, fighting over an article about not fighting.
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JimG
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I like feel-good music. “O Sacrament Most Holy” makes me feel good, especially when the children sing it. 
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Tantum_ergo
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It’s not the age of a piece of music that makes it good or bad.
There are some 500 year old pieces of music that wouldn’t be appropriate at Mass.
And some 50 year old pieces that are quite appropriate.
Not all 50 year old music is hippie music any more than all 500 year old music is 'Church music".
I know you weren’t looking for answers, but since the rhetorical question was flawed, the answer did need to be addressed, because it looked as though you were saying you didn’t understand why something ‘only’ 50 years old was ‘bad’ while something 500 years old was 'good."
There are some 500 year old pieces of music that wouldn’t be appropriate at Mass.
And some 50 year old pieces that are quite appropriate.
Not all 50 year old music is hippie music any more than all 500 year old music is 'Church music".
I know you weren’t looking for answers, but since the rhetorical question was flawed, the answer did need to be addressed, because it looked as though you were saying you didn’t understand why something ‘only’ 50 years old was ‘bad’ while something 500 years old was 'good."
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Jon_Mallory
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Why does this can of worms get opened repeatedly again and again? Nothing good happens in the worship wars.
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Don_Ruggero
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And I am of the same opinion as you, Deacon. What you write is what I have also seen on this topic.
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Don_Ruggero
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Fortunately the Church is not a society of egalitarians but is, rather, hierarchical.
It is not then a matter of opinions of equals.
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Oneofthewomen
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I agree with this assessment also. I now understand the joke my Sacramental Theology professor told about the difference between a liturgist and a terrorist.
You can negotiate with a terrorist!
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Tantum_ergo
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Oh, so that was meant to be funny. Well gee you have to excuse me, Jeff. In between my constant nitpicking and unmerciful rigidity, as well as my bouts of being an unreconstructed ossified manualist, I completely forgot to schedule in my 5 minute sense of humor today. Mea culpa.
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PatrickC
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It is. Your hippy music is one of the main things that made me reconsider (at first) whether the RCC was actually the “One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” or some gross commune my parents had initiated me into. I left over far more than that, but in my mind, if the Church I belong to doesn’t even seem to take itself seriously, why would I take it seriously?
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PatrickC
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The liturgy of St John Chrysostom seems like a good reference. Or the old Mass. Or literally anything but what goes on in my childhood parish of St Peters.
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