He has judged himself.Which ironically, you turn around and do when you judge St. Thomas Aquinas.
steve b said:
A little exaggerative. If I may repeat my message aboveā¦
Matthew,
That is Catholic teaching as well. The scenerio you describe with the guy in the confessional is a completely different scenerio.
BINGO!!! Itās a hardness of heart. Which is exactly the story of the man IN THE CONFESSIONAL, who confesses he is seriously sinning, and says he refuses to change.
You donāt see my point. A man who is so morally depraved (I am using the words in their technical meaning so donāt take offence) is unable to write lucid theology. A man who is so lacking in love that he condemns the Orthodox Greeks to hell cannot possibly write anything worthwhile on the Holy Trinity which is Love itself. āGod is love.ā His words may seem logically compelling on a human level but because of the failure of love in his heart we see the fruits of this failure in his condemnation of others and he is far from God. In the treatise āContra Errores Graecorumā he is trying to lay out the deepest and most secret mysteries of the inner life of the Trinity and at the same time and in the same treatise he is saying that the Orthodox, because they do not accept his reasonings, are damned. Excuse me if I weep over his blindness! His theology is only his own cleverness, headspun and not Godspun. Thomas himself realised this at the end of his life. I hope God forgave him for the words against the Greek Christians and for the theology which he created which gave a theological justification for the Inquisition and its executions.
Are you feeling uneasy? I said nothing of the kind. I said
I think youāre wiggling. The Galatians (no telling how many were involved) were being warned AGAIN by Paul, what consequences there were in division.
JPrejean said:
Not so sure. Whatās the difference between the culture of death which saw Terri Schiavo condemned to die and the culture of spiritual death which condemns millions to an eternity in hell for holding an inconvenient theology?
the church teaches that the only people who go to hell are those who refuse Godās grace until the end. but somehow when people are saved, itās always through the church. aquinasās writings should be read in light of the living traditions of the church.
OK, but I cannot take any theologian seriously who condemns me to damnation because I adhere to the ancient teaching of the Church on the Trinity.
I donāt think it is that desparate and the Orthodox can afford to be patient. You are slowly changing. To the credit of the RCs, there has been a very subtle attempt to re-create Purgatory into a more āOrthodox palatableā ideal -speaking more in terms of āstateā than of a āplaceā, let alone one specifically created for āsatisfying the debt in temporal punishment due to personal sins.ā. This latter aspect too, is unacceptable from an Orthodox view - for as far as Orthodoxy is concerned, if God forgives you, you are forgiven immediately, not imperfectly. If there is a question of imperfection, an imperfection that may last even into the grave, it is a question of the disposition of a soul, and something that has to be altered in its heart. Thus, Orthodoxy doesnāt accept the older āmore traditionalā RC doctrine of purgatory, precisely because Orthodox Christianity does not accept the rigid, legalistic idea of Godās ānecessary justiceā which just HAS to be propitiated with sufferings. Suffering does have a value for sinners, but it is a purely medicinal one - just as God is not in need of anything in other respects, He is not āin needā of vengence upon us for any slights we have shown Him.
The entire world is watching and praying for the pope as we speak. Iāll refer you to the TV for the coming days. Watch it and learn about this great man and pope.
In defeating communism in Russia, what the media wonāt talk about is, JPII couldnāt get help from the Patriarch of Russia whose KGB code name was Drozdov or his bishops under him who had KGB code names also. They were fully inculturated into the communist system. No doubt they were responsible for many losing their faith and their lives in Russia. JPII saved the Orthodox and the Catholics that were left in Russia. But after the fall of communism, the Patriarch and bishops were responsible for protesting JPII from visiting Russia. You need to pray for your patriarch and his bishops in Russia for their repentance and conversion, then offer a prayer of thanksgiving for JPII.
My dear man, there is a candle burning for him now before the icons just as there was for Terri Schiavo. I was up between 2am and 3am this morning watching the live broadcast from Rome by the BBC.
We know this. It is part of the reason why the Russians in the West formed a separate administration independent of Moscow. I belong to this - the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad.
Look, I am not going to underestimate his influence but he did not save the Orthodox and the Catholics in Russia. It was GOD who did this and it was because there are 20 million new Orthodox martyrs from Russia standing around His throne and beseching him to rescue their homeland which was once known as Holy Russia.
exactly, the CCC doesnāt call purgatory a place but āthe final purificationā before the Final Judgment by a purifying fire. it does not say anything about suffering.
What are you talking about?
You said the man goes into the confessional. Confesses a serious sin [mortal] that he says he has no intention of stopping. That means heās not sorry, and heās not asking for forgiveness.
The sin you described and the disposition of the sinner you described is a deadly combination. By that I mean hell bound. Would you like me to quote the supporting scripture?
If one wants to stop doing what they know is wrong but is addicted, thatās different from one who doesnāt desire to stop what they are doing.
Before the law there is no sin. When the law is given, sin and consequence is defined. Scripture clearly describes activities that are mortal sinā¦ For example, scripture says the sexually immoral wonāt enter heaven. Scripture defines the sin and the corresponding consequence of that sin if it is unrepented for. Will God cut someone slack if they donāt ask for forgiveness before they die? Thatās up to Him. But the sin and the consequence is defined, so people will know how to live properly
As long as you can still fog a mirror, you can be forgiven anything. But suppose in the original case, he leaves the confessional unrepentant, and has a massive heart attack and dies instantly, before his body hits the floor? He died with a mortal sin on his soul. No chance for 1 last oops God, Iām sorry.
Now youāre describing our friend who has already died. He canāt in the next life hope for forgiveness of unrepented mortal sin. He needed to ask for forgiveness on this side of eternityā¦
I agree.
This may already have been answered, but one can not own oneās own existence (or āistenceā in the case of God.) We run into a limitation of language here in that the posessive is designed to refer to the owenership of creatures, not of God. Because of this limitation, the words by design exclude the two countercases above.Well, I would not speak so offhandedly myself of the words of our Lord
Sorry, I reversed the numbers. It is John 15:26
Not really, by that logic, we would have to say that the Son possesses the Fatherhood of the Father and that the Son begets Himself.
Would you be interested in knowing that all heads of state and those who were considered influential had code names, even the president of the United States had a KGB code name.
