Films 'Risen' and 'The Young Messiah'

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Risen is out in March in USA and GB ( where I am) and The Young Messiah at Easter in USA ( not sure about GB.
Does anyone know anything about them? The later is based on a book by Ann Rice and stars Sean Bean and the former has Joseph Fiennes. They both play roman soldiers, one looking for the ‘body’ of Jesus and the other for the child Jesus.
 
Risen is out in March in USA and GB ( where I am) and The Young Messiah at Easter in USA ( not sure about GB.
Does anyone know anything about them? The later is based on a book by Ann Rice and stars Sean Bean and the former has Joseph Fiennes. They both play roman soldiers, one looking for the ‘body’ of Jesus and the other for the child Jesus.
 
Judging by what I’ve read about both films since seeing your thread, “Risen” sounds worth seeing, but “The Young Messiah” doesn’t really appeal with it being a fictitious story of Jesus aged seven.
 
While I’m not a big fan of Christian movies, Risen looks really good.
 
I recognise the actor Sean Bean, but for the reason previously mentioned, I have no wish to see the film.
Well, Steven Greydanus from Decent Films said it was one of the best Jesus films he’s seen, which is high praise from him. I read they also took out some of the more controversial parts of Rice’s novel to make it more orthodox.

I think I’m probably going to see it instead of Risen, which from what I’ve heard is pretty forgettable.
 
Well, Steven Greydanus from Decent Films said it was one of the best Jesus films he’s seen, which is high praise from him. I read they also took out some of the more controversial parts of Rice’s novel to make it more orthodox.

I think I’m probably going to see it instead of Risen, which from what I’ve heard is pretty forgettable.
I may change my mind if reviews are more favourable than anticipated.
If you do go to see it, I hope you repost to share your opinion.
 
Risen is out in March in USA and GB ( where I am) and The Young Messiah at Easter in USA ( not sure about GB.
Does anyone know anything about them? The later is based on a book by Ann Rice and stars Sean Bean and the former has Joseph Fiennes. They both play roman soldiers, one looking for the ‘body’ of Jesus and the other for the child Jesus.
Risen is good. TYM uses heretical material.
 
I may change my mind if reviews are more favourable than anticipated.
If you do go to see it, I hope you repost to share your opinion.
“A portrait true to biblical faith but without sentimentality….an exceptional movie, engaging from start to finish; a film worth seeing and owning and seeing again.”
ARCHBISHOP CHARLES J. CHAPUT
Archdiocese of Philadelphia
 
I may change my mind if reviews are more favourable than anticipated.
If you do go to see it, I hope you repost to share your opinion.
I will. Hopefully I get the chance to see it. I’m not familiar with the novel, but the fact that it’s a different part of Jesus’ life than we normally see in movies interests me. Apparently the film makers also explicitly identify the “brothers” of Jesus as his cousins, and not Mary’s other children, which I found encouraging. We’ll see though.

Here’s the interview where I got all that information by the way, in case you’re interested:

m.ncregister.com/daily-news/interview-cyrus-nowrasteh/#.VtI0VEU76nM
 
Risen has already been out for a week or two.
The Young Messiah is out March 10th I believe.

I might see Risen tomorrow.
 
Those reviews posted certainly do sound favourable, I hope the film critics in general are as approving, or more importantly the audiences.

Even though I have a problem with a film portraying some fictional events relating to the life of Jesus, I will reserve any judgement until I’ve seen them both.
They are due for release a few weeks later the UK.
 
The young messiah is a fictional account based on a book written by a woman who wants women priests. The story itself sounds heretical because it makes it look like Jesus did not know who he was!

Risen looks good…I may try to see it
 
The young messiah is a fictional account based on a book written by a woman who wants women priests. The story itself sounds heretical because it makes it look like Jesus did not know who he was!

Risen looks good…I may try to see it
she was raised a strict Catholic and left the Church at 18.
in 1998 she returned, but renounced Christianity in 2010, but says Christ is still central to her life. she says she is a secular humanist.
 
she was raised a strict Catholic and left the Church at 18.
in 1998 she returned, but renounced Christianity in 2010, but says Christ is still central to her life. she says she is a secular humanist.
Doesn’t that seem sketchy?:confused:
 
I saw Risen this weekend. It was a good movie in that it was well made, well acted, and visually impactful. However, if you are looking for a Christian movie with a strong Catholic message this isn’t it. It did a fine job with the crucifixion, very graphic, but once that part was over, it was just another movie set in ancient times. The ending had a bit more Christianity in it but events were compressed and not clearly depicted.

Just my opinion 🙂
 
The young messiah is a fictional account based on a book written by a woman who wants women priests. The story itself sounds heretical because it makes it look like Jesus did not know who he was!
Well, it might not be heretical. Depends on how they handle it. The relationship between Christ’s omniscience (as God) and his limited human knowledge (as man) is something we don’t fully understand. Here’s what the Church teaches:

470 Because “human nature was assumed, not absorbed,” in the mysterious union of the Incarnation, the Church was led over the course of centuries to confess the full reality of Christ’s human soul, with its operations of intellect and will, and of his human body. In parallel fashion, she had to recall on each occasion that Christ’s human nature belongs, as his own, to the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from “one of the Trinity.” The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity: (516; 626)
The Son of God … worked with human hands; he thought with a human mind. He acted with a human will, and with a human heart he loved. Born of the Virgin Mary, he has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin. (2599)
Christ’s soul and his human knowledge

471 Apollinarius of Laodicaea asserted that in Christ the divine Word had replaced the soul or spirit. Against this error the Church confessed that the eternal Son also assumed a rational, human soul. (363)

472 This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. **As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. ** This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man”,101 and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience.102 This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking “the form of a slave”.

473 But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God’s Son expressed the divine life of his person.104 “The human nature of God’s Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God.“105 Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father.106 The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.

474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal.108 What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

This is a deep mystery, but what it basically means is that the Son of God - in his divine nature - was omniscient, but in his human nature, he had to think and learn like we do. This means that at least when he was a zygote, he had no human knowledge of who he was, and most likely not even as an infant, since infants have no sense or knowledge of self. In fact, children don’t develop that for several years. So in that time frame, we can assume Jesus, in his human nature, didn’t “know” (i.e. have conscious human awareness of) who he was. He probably only thought about eating and sleeping.

We know for sure that by the time of the finding in the Temple he was aware - humanly speaking - that God was his Father, but WHEN and HOW he got to that knowledge from where he was as an infant is something the Church has not defined and thus something we are free to speculate on. Which appears to be what this movie is about.

Not saying the movie isn’t heretical. It might be. But it could also be a respectful exploring of the relationship between Jesus’ human and divine knowledge. Have to wait and see I guess.
 
Well, it might not be heretical. Depends on how they handle it. The relationship between Christ’s omniscience (as God) and his limited human knowledge (as man) is something we don’t fully understand. Here’s what the Church teaches:

470 Because “human nature was assumed, not absorbed,” in the mysterious union of the Incarnation, the Church was led over the course of centuries to confess the full reality of Christ’s human soul, with its operations of intellect and will, and of his human body. In parallel fashion, she had to recall on each occasion that Christ’s human nature belongs, as his own, to the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from “one of the Trinity.” The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity: (516; 626)
The Son of God … worked with human hands; he thought with a human mind. He acted with a human will, and with a human heart he loved. Born of the Virgin Mary, he has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin. (2599)
Christ’s soul and his human knowledge

471 Apollinarius of Laodicaea asserted that in Christ the divine Word had replaced the soul or spirit. Against this error the Church confessed that the eternal Son also assumed a rational, human soul. (363)

472 This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. **As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. ** This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man”,101 and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience.102 This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking “the form of a slave”.

473 But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God’s Son expressed the divine life of his person.104 “The human nature of God’s Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God.“105 Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father.106 The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.

474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal.108 What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

This is a deep mystery, but what it basically means is that the Son of God - in his divine nature - was omniscient, but in his human nature, he had to think and learn like we do. This means that at least when he was a zygote, he had no human knowledge of who he was, and most likely not even as an infant, since infants have no sense or knowledge of self. In fact, children don’t develop that for several years. So in that time frame, we can assume Jesus, in his human nature, didn’t “know” (i.e. have conscious human awareness of) who he was. He probably only thought about eating and sleeping.

We know for sure that by the time of the finding in the Temple he was aware - humanly speaking - that God was his Father, but WHEN and HOW he got to that knowledge from where he was as an infant is something the Church has not defined and thus something we are free to speculate on. Which appears to be what this movie is about.

Not saying the movie isn’t heretical. It might be. But it could also be a respectful exploring of the relationship between Jesus’ human and divine knowledge. Have to wait and see I guess.
Yes Jesus had to learn, but I don’t see anything in Scripture or Tradition that Mary told Jesus to wait or start his ministry.
 
“Risen” sounded so bad yet a wonderful acted film. Of course the podcast I listened to is a bit biased. All in all it sounded like a film about nothing going on.
 
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