Final exam religion 1

[Rogerteder]

How are the kids doing, in the class? Are they handling the material okay? How many of them passed your test with 80% or more?

MAYBE ILL TALLY THE RESULTS–IT WILL TAKE ME SOME TIME-----I HAVE TWO of the three classes graded–results have been very good—it will take me time to tally the the totals

by the way–of course the kids are taught the material during the course

 

[jimmy]

Number 5 is a trick question because Arius had no problem calling Jesus God, but he also said that Jesus was created by the Father and was kind of a subordinate god.

 

[estesbob]

MAYBE ILL TALLY THE RESULTS–IT WILL TAKE ME SOME TIME-----I HAVE TWO of the three classes graded–results have been very good—it will take me time to tally the the totals

by the way–of course the kids are taught the material during the course

I thought it was a great test. Looks like your students are getting properly catecized-somwething we see many Catholics are not-as we see on a daily basis on CAF.

 

[quiet52]

I hope you’ll return the tests to the students, with the correct answers – so they’ll know where they went wrong. Let them learn from the test itself (if they need to), or the grade will be more important than the learning.
Good job.

 

[Evan]

No,the Church teaches that baptism is necessary. Council of Trent “If anyone says baptism is not necessary for salvatio let him be anathema.” So, it is proper to say baptism is necessary–I agree it is normatively necessary. There are exceptions, (baptism of desire)etc. But we are speaking in the normative way just as the council did.

The problem dealt with by the Council was that of the Reformation. The moral theologians of this day are dealing with abortion and the final disposition of these souls.

They are not recieving a baptism of blood as they are not witnesses to the Christ or His Church

They are not recieving a baptism of water as that cannot be received while in the amniotic fluid

They are not receiving a baptism of desire as they have not yet reached the age of reason.

However, the CCC states: 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

So leaves open either

1. God may save without baptism (and violate the literal reading of the Council) or
2. God is powerless to save them.

OR… it could be stated as: There is only one way that man can accept the savation offered to all men. That is through the sacrament of baptism (in any form).

Thus leaving to God the final disposition of the souls of the unbaptized infants who had no oppurtunity to accept the sacrament or reject God, or have the church accept in the childs stead.

I can see why the class material would be hard to judge without a chance to give an inidication as to the thinking that produced an answer. I would, in most cases, accept baptism as correct. But if a student came to argue with such points as given above I would have to accept the alternative.

 

[Kay_Cee]

Jesus, being God had infused knowledge and aquired knowledge. Because he was a Divine Person he wasn’t ignorant of anything. Pope Benedict XV via the Holy Office said one CANNOT say Jesus was ignorant of certain things such as the second coming–

Okay, now I’m confused. Didn’t Jesus say, “But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone”? (Matthew 24:36 NAB) Doesn’t that mean Jesus said He didn’t know when it would happen?

Either I’m misinterpreting this verse (and I honestly don’t see how I possibly could be, since it’s plainly discussing the Second Coming) or you’re misinterpreting what Pope Benedict said.

 

[Rogerteder]

Okay, now I’m confused. Didn’t Jesus say, “But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone”? (Matthew 24:36 NAB) Doesn’t that mean Jesus said He didn’t know when it would happen?

Either I’m misinterpreting this verse (and I honestly don’t see how I possibly could be, since it’s plainly discussing the Second Coming) or you’re misinterpreting what Pope Benedict said.

Yes He did. This was debated by many of the Fathers(early Church Fathers) and Augustine’s explanation was generally accepted. That Christ had communicable knowledge and non-communicable knowledge. Christ did know when the second was going to happen, but it was not in His mission to communicate that information.

This is why the Holy Office in 1918 said that we cannot say that Christ was ignorant of the second coming.

Also, keep in mind that Chirist’s Church(The Catholic Church) is here to interpret scripture (at times–when we need clarifiction) for us…This is a confusing pasaage, and it is time like this that Christ’s church clears things up for us.

 

[Rogerteder]

you can find the quote in Denzinger 3645

 

[Kay_Cee]

Yes He did. This was debated by many of the Fathers(early Church Fathers) and Augustine’s explanation was generally accepted. That Christ had communicable knowledge and non-communicable knowledge. Christ did know when the second was going to happen, but it was not in His mission to communicate that information.

This is why the Holy Office in 1918 said that we cannot say that Christ was ignorant of the second coming.

Also, keep in mind that Chirist’s Church(The Catholic Church) is here to interpret scripture (at times–when we need clarifiction) for us…This is a confusing pasaage, and it is time like this that Christ’s church clears things up for us.

But the scripture passage doesn’t say he had “non-communicable knowledge.” It says he didn’t know, period. And, to clarify it, the passage says only the Father knows.

Since the word “knows” appears only once, it must have the same definition when applied to all the passage speaks of: the angels, the Son, and the Father. So the way in which the knowledge exists would have to be the same for all, wouldn’t it? Furthermore, the passage uses the word “but.” “But” is used to show a contrast between things. So, isn’t the passage showing a contrast between what the angels and the Son know and what the Father knows, not the manner in which they know it? After all, if the passage is using “knows” to mean knowing in a “non-communicable” way, what is the point of showing a contrast between the “angels and the Son” and the Father?

But wait! It gets worse! Luke 2:52 says, “And Jesus advanced in wisdom and age and favor before God and man.” How can one advance in wisdom unless one is learning something, like how to be more wise? This too would seem to imply an ignorance about certain things.

My point is this: you need to be extremely careful how you word tests. Unless you teach the Magesterium’s interpretation of these passages, one day you’re going to get a student who’s going to protest you marking him wrong about this, especially if it makes a difference in his grade. He (and his parents) might even take it to the principal. And you would have to admit he has Bible passages to back him up.

Look, I taught high school for ten years, so I know about this sort of thing firsthand. Believe me, it’s a lot easier to make sure your questions are unambiguous than to have to argue about a question with students, parents, and your principal. It’s a lot easier to have your questions clear than have to go back and re-grade all the tests.

I’m not trying to be difficult; I’m trying to do you a favor as one teacher to another.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I teach high school theology here is a copy of my final exam–enjoy!!! Freshman–over view of the Catholic faith

Part I Please fill in a T or and F on your scantron sheet. T for True F for False (1 point each)

1. The extra ordinary magisterium is always infallible. T
2. The ordinary magisterium can be infallible if the teaching is over a constant period of time. T
3. Jesus Christ had hope. T
4. Jesus Christ had great faith. T
5. Arius taught that Jesus was not God, but was created by God. T
6. Mary had other children other than Jesus. F
7. Jesus Christ was ignorant of certain things such as the second coming. F
8. Sex before marriage is a grave matter. T
9. Abortion is the killing of an innocent human being. T
10. The Holy Spirit protects the Pope from error when it comes to defining a matter on faith or morals. T
11. If one dies with mortal sin on their soul they must go to purgatory.

T Under certain circumstances.

1. Mary never committed a sin throughout her entire life. T
2. People can be saved equally in any religion. T
3. All religions are basically equal. F
4. The Church teaches that “Outside the Church there is No Salvation.” T
5. Catholics should evangelize because Christ wants all to hear the gospel, and come into the Church. T
6. Catholics are obligated to do the corporeal works of mercy. T
7. The Church’s dogma can change in their essential meaning. F
8. Contraception is ok as long as the couple is married. F
9. Capital punishment is never permitted by the Church. F
10. If a Catholic accepts evolution they must believe God immediately creates the soul. T
11. Catholics believe justification is by grace, through faith and good works. T
12. The Church says that the doctrine Justification by faith alone is (as Luther taught it) is wrong. T
13. The Church teaches that scripture alone is the sole rule of faith. F
14. Concupiscence is the inclination to sin, but is not a sin itself. T
15. The union of Christ’s two natures is called the hypostatic union. T
16. Christ had two natures human and divine. T
17. It is not proper to speak of Jesus as a human person. F
18. Catholics are obligated to believe in private revelation. T (That it is possible)
19. At the death of the last apostle all public revelation has stopped. T

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Part II multiple choice: Please mark the correct answer on your scantron sheet. (1 point each)

1. Which of the following is not a proof for the existence of God?
   c. Einstein’s theory of relativity
2. What council condemned the teaching of Arius (initially)?
   b. Nicea
3. Which of the following is not a sacrament?
   d. None of the above
4. Since the Pope is infallible this means
   c. The Pope, when he defines a matter on faith and or morals, is free from error
5. The Immaculate Conception is the dogma that states
   a. Mary was conceived without original sin
6. The Assumption is the dogma that state
   d. Mary was assumed body and soul into heaven
7. If someone dies and were to be judged with mortal sin on their soul they would
   b. b. Go to hell
8. If someone were to die, in the state of grace, but with venial sin and or temporal punishment on their soul they would
   b. Go to purgatory, then heaven
9. An indulgence is
   c. The removal of temporal punishment due to a sin that has already been forgiven
10. What sacrament is necessary for salvation
    a. baptism
11. In infants baptism removes
    b. original sin
12. In adults baptism removes
    a. all sin and all temporal punishment due to sin
13. The term transubstantiation is
    a. The only official term used to describe the change from bread and wine to the body and blood of Christ
14. What sins must always be confessed before one receives Holy Communion?
    b. mortal sins

 

[catholic1seeks]

What kind of religious ed did these kids get before your class? How much are they required to learn in your class in one year? What is left for them to know after your class unless they want to be priests?

I would be scared to send my kids to your class even if I believed! I would be afraid they would wind up hating religion. Sorry, but it just seems like an awful lot of material for kids in freshman year high school to be expected to know when I see posters here who can’t answer some of these questions from looking at other threads. And, I don’t think they are in high school either. What happens to their ego if they really love God and are good kids and fail your class? What if they decide they should just pack it in?

BEG TO DIFFER.

I’m a freshman (well, I’ll be going into the 10th), and do not go to a Catholic school. But I’d say that I knew most of the answers except the questions concerning councils/dates of councils.

Wind up hating religion? I don’t think so. Religion class (I went to Catholic school until 8th grade) is just another class. Failing the class is a consequence of not studying --just like in any other class.

To me, religion class was easy.

Out of experience, some of my friends were strong, faithful Catholics who disliked religion class. Learning the material is for the student’s benefit.

 

[catholic1seeks]

But the scripture passage doesn’t say he had “non-communicable knowledge.” It says he didn’t know, period. And, to clarify it, the passage says only the Father knows.

Since the word “knows” appears only once, it must have the same definition when applied to all the passage speaks of: the angels, the Son, and the Father. So the way in which the knowledge exists would have to be the same for all, wouldn’t it? Furthermore, the passage uses the word “but.” “But” is used to show a contrast between things. So, isn’t the passage showing a contrast between what the angels and the Son know and what the Father knows, not the manner in which they know it? After all, if the passage is using “knows” to mean knowing in a “non-communicable” way, what is the point of showing a contrast between the “angels and the Son” and the Father?

But wait! It gets worse! Luke 2:52 says, “And Jesus advanced in wisdom and age and favor before God and man.” How can one advance in wisdom unless one is learning something, like how to be more wise? This too would seem to imply an ignorance about certain things.

My point is this: you need to be extremely careful how you word tests. Unless you teach the Magesterium’s interpretation of these passages, one day you’re going to get a student who’s going to protest you marking him wrong about this, especially if it makes a difference in his grade. He (and his parents) might even take it to the principal. And you would have to admit he has Bible passages to back him up.

Look, I taught high school for ten years, so I know about this sort of thing firsthand. Believe me, it’s a lot easier to make sure your questions are unambiguous than to have to argue about a question with students, parents, and your principal. It’s a lot easier to have your questions clear than have to go back and re-grade all the tests.

I’m not trying to be difficult; I’m trying to do you a favor as one teacher to another.

Let’s remember Christ had/has two natures. In his human nature, he could grow in understanding and knowledge.

I’ll back up the teacher here (I’m 15 ). First, the students must have known what the question was asking. (This seems like a test that comes with a study guide, am I right?) I assume the question is connected to a chapter/unit on the Trinity? As God, Jesus knows everything, etc.

PS> to the high school teacher> is it fun being a religion/theology teacher? I’ve considered it!

 

[phoenix3212]

Ooh wow, interesting exam. I’m in High School and wouldn’t want to have to do this

 

[Kay_Cee]

Let’s remember Christ had/has two natures. In his human nature, he could grow in understanding and knowledge.

Uh, I know that.

I’ll back up the teacher here (I’m 15 ). First, the students must have known what the question was asking. (This seems like a test that comes with a study guide, am I right?) I assume the question is connected to a chapter/unit on the Trinity? As God, Jesus knows everything, etc.

PS> to the high school teacher> is it fun being a religion/theology teacher? I’ve considered it!

I’m pleased to know you’re interested in defending your faith. However, you missed the entire point of my post. Do you know what the word “ambiguous” means? If you don’t, please look it up in the dictionary. It’s okay, I’ll wait.

Now, then. My point was that some of the test questions were ambiguous. For example, the one about Mary having other children. It’s true she had no other *biological *children. But it’s also true that, from the cross, Jesus gave her to us as our mother. Furthermore, the Book of Revelation calls us her children. (See Revelation 12:1-17). So, if I’m a student taking the test, how do I answer? In one way the answer is true. In another way it is false. That’s because the teacher was not clear what he meant by “other children.” It does matter what the chapter says, but isn’t the Bible, God’s very word, also part of a religion class? If I know scripture, shouldn’t I apply it to all test questions?

You’re very young, and you’ve never taught high school. I have. I taught it for ten years, and believe me, students will challenge their test scores, especially if they think it will affect their GPA. If I had given this test and a student had challenged the answer (and he would have been able to make a good case that the question was ambiguous), I would have had to throw the question out. Then I would have had to go back and redo all the test scores.

I am trying to save this teacher all that trouble by pointing out that he needs to be clearer with his test questions.

Now, is everybody okay with that, or am I going to get criticized again for trying to do someone a favor?

 

[catholic1seeks]

Uh, I know that.

I’m pleased to know you’re interested in defending your faith. However, you missed the entire point of my post. Do you know what the word “ambiguous” means? If you don’t, please look it up in the dictionary. It’s okay, I’ll wait.

Now, then. My point was that some of the test questions were ambiguous. For example, the one about Mary having other children. It’s true she had no other *biological *children. But it’s also true that, from the cross, Jesus gave her to us as our mother. Furthermore, the Book of Revelation calls us her children. (See Revelation 12:1-17). So, if I’m a student taking the test, how do I answer? In one way the answer is true. In another way it is false. That’s because the teacher was not clear what he meant by “other children.” It does matter what the chapter says, but isn’t the Bible, God’s very word, also part of a religion class? If I know scripture, shouldn’t I apply it to all test questions?

You’re very young, and you’ve never taught high school. I have. I taught it for ten years, and believe me, students will challenge their test scores, especially if they think it will affect their GPA. If I had given this test and a student had challenged the answer (and he would have been able to make a good case that the question was ambiguous), I would have had to throw the question out. Then I would have had to go back and redo all the test scores.

I am trying to save this teacher all that trouble by pointing out that he needs to be clearer with his test questions.

Now, is everybody okay with that, or am I going to get criticized again for trying to do someone a favor?

No it’s fine. But I didn’t want the teacher-someone who is superior to me -to think it was a bad test or anything. Yes, I know what the word ambiguous means .

 

[Kay_Cee]

No it’s fine. But I didn’t want the teacher-someone who is superior to me -to think it was a bad test or anything. Yes, I know what the word ambiguous means .

Then you sure have a better vocabulary than I did when I was fifteen!

BTW, a teacher is not superior to you. A teacher has authority, not superiority.

 

[mardukm]

1. The extra ordinary magisterium is always infallible.

TRUE. I don’t know why some people think the answer is “False.” The extraordinary Magisterium is the Ecumenical Council and/or the Pope teaching ex cathedra.

2. The ordinary magisterium can be infallible if the teaching is over a constant period of time.

Not fair. It’s too ambiguous. The answer is “TRUE” only if you add “…and united in the teaching.” Otherwise, it would be “FALSE.” On the other hand, if the word “can” means “possibility,” instead of “capability,” then the answer would always be “TRUE.”

Blessings

P.S. EVERY Catholic School should have a teacher like you.

 

[Rogerteder]

TRUE. I don’t know why some people think the answer is “False.” The extraordinary Magisterium is the Ecumenical Council and/or the Pope teaching ex cathedra.

Not fair. It’s too ambiguous. The answer is “TRUE” only if you add “…and united in the teaching.” Otherwise, it would be “FALSE.” On the other hand, if the word “can” means “possibility,” instead of “capability,” then the answer would always be “TRUE.”

Blessings

P.S. EVERY Catholic School should have a teacher like you.

No it is worded accurately --if the Church teaches on a matter on faith and/or morals over a constant period of time the teaching is infallible by virtue of the ordinary magisterium. However sometimes it is hard to determine “what a constant period of time” is…So, at times, we need the extraordinary magisterium to step in and remove any doubt.

 

[Just_Lurking]

TRUE. I don’t know why some people think the answer is “False.” The extraordinary Magisterium is the Ecumenical Council and/or the Pope teaching ex cathedra.

The problem is that there is no consistent usage of the term “extraordinary magisterium” by Catholic theologians. Some of them use “extraordinary” as a synonym for “infallible”, whereas others classify all teachings from an ecumenical council as “extraordinary”, whether they are infallible or not, on the rationale that an ecumenical council is an extraordinary event.