Final straw for me to leave Catholicism

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ChristMyLife said:
Lastly, Jesus is Love. Gay men raping children isn’t love. Yet THOUSANDS of times it happened, and bishops and cardinals all over are complicit, half gay themselves most likely, I have many other issues but for now I’m going to just call myself “theist.”
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All I will say is that 8% of the Apostles were corrupt (Judas, 1-12), and 92% (all but John) failed at least once.

There are 5469 living bishops. If 8% are corrupt, that’s 440 corrupt Bishops, which is A LOT. But it is also the same percentage as the Apostles.

If we look at 11 of 12 Apostles failing at least once… then that’s 5032 bishops.

The point is: The Catholic Church is infallible and perfect. However, the men who make up the clergy are not. It’s filled with sinners, just like the sinners Jesus selected to be His Apostles.

Do you don’t abandon Jesus because of Judas.

God bless
 
When we read the Scriptures, many times there were sinful men who did terrible things, the children of Israel fell away, however, they remained God’s chosen people. They did return.

The gates of hell will not prevail.

I would suggest reading Chamberlain’s “The Bad Popes”.
 
on_the_hill said:
With all due respect, that’s a stupid reason to give it up
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I believe in what the Church teaches…

However, the moral actions of the Church recently have convinced me that I can be a good Catholic without the Sacraments and God knows my situation.

Isn’t being gay supposed to disqualify from ordinationm? If so, why are 40-80% of priests gay? They have been fake since the beginning, so the Church has a huge cartel of invalid priests(not technically invalid although I’m not sure… At least invalid in that they shouldn’t have been ordained in the first place.)

A cadre of wolves dressed in flamboyant sheep clothing.
 
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So, your issue isn’t really with the Church at all, it is your hatred and fear of gay men and conservatives.
 
ChristMyLife said:
However, the moral actions of the Church recently have convinced me that I can be a good Catholic without the Sacraments and God knows my situation.
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Your belief is simply incorrect. No one can be a good Catholic without the sacraments. This is precisely why Jesus gave them to us; He knew we couldn’t make it without them.

I will pray for you to return to the Barque of Peter - the only Church that Christ started.
Deacon Christopher
 
CilladeRoma said:
your issue isn’t really with the Church at all, it is your hatred and fear of gay men and
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It’s with snarky passive aggressive Catholics trash talking me when I’m going through a mentAl health crisis and spiritual crisis simultaneously.

Where is your charity?

What you just said and that attitude in general makes me not wanna step foot in any Christian Church.
 
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ChristMyLife said:
However, the moral actions of the Church recently have convinced me that I can be a good Catholic without the Sacraments and God knows my situation.
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The Church makes no immoral actions. I challenge you to name one, because you can’t.

Catholic Clergy and Lay People do make immoral actions.

God bless
 
While much of vocal American Catholicism has crawled into bed with Trump, that is not what the Church is.

I recommend Catholic writer Mark Shea as a leading faithful Catholic who is torn up about the abuse and cover-ups, actively rejects an overly “Republican” idea of Catholicism, remains fervently Catholic, and writes eloquently about all of it.
 
”And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” - Matthew 16:18

There will always be sin in the Church but Jesus Himself says evil will never take over the Church. As such, it is the One Holy and Apostolic Church.

The Apostles didn’t leave Jesus when Judas betrayed Him. Why should we leave when some priests have betrayed us?
 
I’m not being snarky I am trying to understand. Everything you are railing against is not “the Church”, it is actions by sinful people who make up the Church.
There is a difference.
 
I am only going by what you have said.
You have bad-mouthed every person here who does not agree with you. Is that Christian charity?
 
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Usagi said:
ark Shea as a leading faithful Catholic who is torn up about the abuse and cover-ups, actively rejects an overly “Republican” idea of Catholicism, remains fervently Catholic, and writes eloquently about all of it.
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Sounds AWESOME. Will definitely be a good read because “GOP/Trumpian Christianity” and the sex scandal and scandals in hierarchy are huge issues for me right now.
 
ChristMyLife said:
It’s with snarky passive aggressive Catholics trash talking me when I’m going through a mentAl health crisis and spiritual crisis simultaneously.

Where is your charity?

What you just said and that attitude in general makes me not wanna step foot in any Christian Church.
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Some people are responding with charity and empathy. Are you latching on to percieved snark and skipping those of us who try to respond in kind?
 
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CilladeRoma said:
So, your issue isn’t really with the Church at all, it is your hatred and fear of gay men and conservatives.
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Yeah, the constant theme here is just anger - well, more likely hatred - at various groups. I find a bit bizarre further that the solution is Episcopalianism or Universalism, since, with the exception maybe of conservatives, both have plenty of gays, white men, and rich people.
ChristMyLife said:
What you just said and that attitude in general makes me not wanna step foot in any Christian Church.
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I think everyone here is aware that you were already there and nothing we say here would keep you away. At most, we might point out a problem that you could revisit later when you’re not suffering, by your own admission, a mental breakdown.
 
ChristMyLife said:
I should have said “Catholic hierarchy.”
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So based on this logic, you should leave the United States because you are disgusted with Trump and people who voted for him. (NOTE: I’m not telling you leave, I’m just showing where your logic leads)

You don’t leave the Church because of the actions of other people.

That line of thinking will lead you to leave Christianity, because there are TONS of Christian leaders who are hypocrites and corrupt.

You can’t base your faith based on the actions of other members (even preachers and Christian leaders).

I hope you realize this.

If you are going to leave the Church… leave because you don’t believe in the dogmas. But don’t leave because of corrupt bishops.

If anything: the corruption only supports the supernatural origin, because how can a corrupt organization last for 2000 years and still teach morality? It’s a miracle and must be protected by the Holy Spirit.

God bless
 
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A thread filled with such hate. I may not agree with these so called “Trump supporters” who the OP had condemned (I am a registered Republican who votes pro life and 3rd party) but know that you are my sisters and brothers in Christ and I pray and love you very much, you are equally part of the Body of Christ and deserve your dignity respected despite any disagreements I or anyone else may have.

Also abusive Priests, I pray for them very much. They have done terrible things. They don’t need us raging about them, that does no good. They need our prayers for their conversation of heart, mind, and soul.

Stop spreading hate, and spread love and the infinite mercies of Christ
 
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ChristMyLife said:
However, the moral actions of the Church recently have convinced me that I can be a good Catholic without the Sacraments and God knows my situation.
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Someone once asked St. Francis of Assisi, a man who thought himself too unworthy of the priesthood, what he would do if he encountered a priest he knew to be a great and public sinner. He said he would fall to his knees and kiss that priest’s hands, not because of the priest’s sins, but because of that priest’s Holy Orders, because that priest could confect the Eucharist and hold Our Lord in His hands.
ChristMyLife said:
Isn’t being gay supposed to disqualify from ordinationm? If so, why are 40-80% of priests gay? They have been fake since the beginning, so the Church has a huge cartel of invalid priests(not technically invalid although I’m not sure… At least invalid in that they shouldn’t have been ordained in the first place.)

A cadre of wolves dressed in flamboyant sheep clothing.
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That percentage is an over exaggeration, and even so, people lie. Lay people, priests, bishops, popes, they lie. It’s not right, it’s very wrong, but they do. They are however valid priests. Did you think Satan would not try to infiltrate the Church? Of course he’d try. He’s tried before, and failed. He will not succeed this time.
 
phil19034 said:
you should leave the United States because you are disgusted with Trump and people who voted for him.
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I would LOVE to leave Trumps dystopia nightmare America… I love to go to Canada, Sweden, Netherlands or Norway.

I’m a US Military Veteran and I view him as a domestic enemy who I swore to protect the US Constitution from.
 
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