Finally, proof for the unbeliever that downloading copyrighed music is wrong!

[HailMary]

Luke 16:10 (Douay-Rheims)
He that is faithful in that which is least, is faithful also in that which is greater: and he that is unjust in that which is little, is unjust also in that which is greater.

Luke 16:10 (NAB)
he person who is trustworthy in very small matters is also trustworthy in great ones; and the person who is dishonest in very small matters is also dishonest in great ones.

oh, and

“Thou shall not steal” might also be applicable :yup:

 

[MH84]

what do you mean by unbeliver: non-Catholic, or someone who is Catholic but doesn’t believe dowloading copyrighted music is wrong?

 

[HailMary]

what do you mean by unbeliver: non-Catholic, or someone who is Catholic but doesn’t believe dowloading copyrighted music is wrong?

unbelieving Catholic (or even Christian for that matter).

 

[Newbie2]

Luke 16:10 (Douay-Rheims)
He that is faithful in that which is least, is faithful also in that which is greater: and he that is unjust in that which is little, is unjust also in that which is greater.

Luke 16:10 (NAB)
he person who is trustworthy in very small matters is also trustworthy in great ones; and the person who is dishonest in very small matters is also dishonest in great ones.

oh, and

“Thou shall not steal” might also be applicable :yup:

Um…methinks you’ve read into these passages what you want to “prove” (eisegesis).

I’d go with “Thou shalt not steal”.

 

[Reepicheep]

Excellent—now all you have to do is prove that downloading copyrighted material is stealing.

…Not that I dispute the point, but there are many people who do question whether it’s theft.

 

[chicago]

Why is this proof that, “…downloading copyrighed music is wrong,” specifically, when it could just as easily be trumped out as “proof” for anything else one wants to justify is disallowed?

I could argue that it is also “proof” for not rash judging the proper morality of this widely disputed issue.

 

[HailMary]

Um…methinks you’ve read into these passages what you want to “prove” (eisegesis).

why? Do you know what the four senses of scripture are? Apply the moral reading of this passage into your own life, and especially, the topic of duplicating copyrighted material and see if it makes sense.

The Four Senses of Scriture

Or, you can go on that link on my signature if you don’t feel like reading and listen to the first talk on there.
qorbono.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=54

 

[gtdannemiller]

It should be obvious that downloading copyrighted material is morally wrong, and yes it does fall under “Thou Shalt Not Steal”. There is no excuse for it.

 

[flyersfan1088]

I find it interesting that twice before in history the entertainment industry has resorted to litigation over copyright infringement. The first time was when cassette decks came out, the second was when VCR’s came out. The industry cried the same cry then as now, that it was theft. Both times the industry lost. If a song is on the radio, I can record it for free and no one has a problem with that. But try and download it online, and watch out.

 

[HailMary]

If a song is on the radio, I can record it for free and no one has a problem with that. But try and download it online, and watch out.

The problem with this is that people are not downloading a version that is freely available on the radio waves: they are downloading the entire album.

 

[CuriousInIL]

I find it interesting that twice before in history the entertainment industry has resorted to litigation over copyright infringement. The first time was when cassette decks came out, the second was when VCR’s came out. The industry cried the same cry then as now, that it was theft. Both times the industry lost. If a song is on the radio, I can record it for free and no one has a problem with that. But try and download it online, and watch out.

The problem with this is that people are not downloading a version that is freely available on the radio waves: they are downloading the entire album.

And, in the radio situation, the artist or copyright holder made the decision to allow the song to be freely available. In most downloading, the original that is being copied was not intended by the artist, unlike a song on the radio, to be freely copied. Music is not really sold, it is licensed and the licensor can put (almost) whatever restrictions they like on that license.

 

[blacktiger057]

When you say downloading copyrighted music, do you mean downloading illegally? Cause I buy music all the time from ITunes…

 

[HailMary]

When you say downloading copyrighted music, do you mean downloading illegally? Cause I buy music all the time from ITunes…

Yes, downloading copyrighted music that you did not pay for: that is illegal. itunes is a legitimate means to purchase music.

 

[He_Man]

I find it interesting that twice before in history the entertainment industry has resorted to litigation over copyright infringement. The first time was when cassette decks came out, the second was when VCR’s came out. The industry cried the same cry then as now, that it was theft. Both times the industry lost. If a song is on the radio, I can record it for free and no one has a problem with that. But try and download it online, and watch out.

Since when does breaking laws we find silly make it ethically okay?

Cause if that’s okay, I plan on not wearing pants to work tomorrow.

 

[andreas430]

I find it interesting that twice before in history the entertainment industry has resorted to litigation over copyright infringement. The first time was when cassette decks came out, the second was when VCR’s came out. The industry cried the same cry then as now, that it was theft. Both times the industry lost. If a song is on the radio, I can record it for free and no one has a problem with that. But try and download it online, and watch out.

There’s also a huge difference in the sound quality of a song recorded onto a cassette from the radio and an mp3 downloaded from the internet.

Also, the entertainment industry doesn’t seem to be losing litigation this time around.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

It is always good to remember, especially those who are trying to be faithful but sometimes fall, that for mortal sin it must not only be 1) serious matter, but 2) the person must know it is serious and then 3) freely commit it.

Now, do you suppose that downloading a simple song from a super rich group like U2 or Rolling Stones is a serious matter? If you say “yes”, then may I suggest you get a life. Ok, maybe that was rude. But I dare say “no”. So, let’s talk about real issues, like big businesses who use their muscle to drive small competitors out of business.

Sheesh… shame one me for downloading an Elvis Presley song the other day.

 

[He_Man]

Who said anything about mortality?

The issue was right versus wrong. If we are going to use the “it isn’t a mortal sin” excuse, that opens up a lot of sins as okay. If mortal sins were the only ones that mattered, the concept of venial sin wouldn’t even exist.

Why is it so hard to admit that even if you don’t mind doing it yourself, it is technically illegal?

I speed. I jaywalk. I have previously downloaded illegally. I once bootlegged digital cable using a digital filter.

But you know what? I can admit that they were and are all illegal. Sheesh, stop hiding behind the mantra of “nobody gets hurt” or “they can afford it.”

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… Why is it so hard to admit that even if you don’t mind doing it yourself, it is technically illegal?

I speed. I jaywalk. I have previously downloaded illegally. I once bootlegged digital cable using a digital filter…

Yep, you’re absolutely right with your whole response.

I guess I take issue that I never see a thread about jaywalking.

 

[whatevergirl]

Luke 16:10 (Douay-Rheims)
He that is faithful in that which is least, is faithful also in that which is greater: and he that is unjust in that which is little, is unjust also in that which is greater.

Luke 16:10 (NAB)
he person who is trustworthy in very small matters is also trustworthy in great ones; and the person who is dishonest in very small matters is also dishonest in great ones.

oh, and

“Thou shall not steal” might also be applicable :yup:

Isn’t it interesting how stealing can take so many forms?? I agree, that it’s best to not take music off the internet that you didn’t pay for…it’s no different than pocketing a cd in your local walmart…

 

[whatevergirl]

It is always good to remember, especially those who are trying to be faithful but sometimes fall, that for mortal sin it must not only be 1) serious matter, but 2) the person must know it is serious and then 3) freely commit it.

Now, do you suppose that downloading a simple song from a super rich group like U2 or Rolling Stones is a serious matter? If you say “yes”, then may I suggest you get a life. Ok, maybe that was rude. But I dare say “no”. So, let’s talk about real issues, like big businesses who use their muscle to drive small competitors out of business.

Sheesh… shame one me for downloading an Elvis Presley song the other day.

Shame on you for liking Elvis Presley music…lol! Kidding. To each’s own.

Whether or not the group is ‘super rich’ isn’t really the issue…it’s about stealing songs. Remember when music stores sold ‘singles?’ Just one song or two for less money? I liken taking songs off the internet, to shoplifting one of those. I will admit, we used to download a few songs off this one site…but no more. I started really thinking about it, and it is not right…and it is stealing. Hope that helps.