Finding Trans-Intolerance

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They are not mutually exclusive categories.

A transsexual is someone who changes which sex they live as in their daily lives. An intersexed person is someone with mixed chromosomes, hormones, anatomy etc. I was born and assigned one gender, I rebelled against that one from about the age of four and eventually changed the sex I appear/work/live as, thus I am both intersexed and transsexual.

The diagnosis and treatment for transsexuals and intersexuals that reject their initial assignment is more or less the same, we go to the same doctors, therapists, specialists, surgeons etc as transsexuals.
I would say the treatments commonly offerred may be similar but the diagnoses are different.

A transexual is someone who is (chromosomes, anatomy, hormones) of a definite sex, but who chooses to request surgery and drugs to make himself superficially appear to be the opposite sex.

I would say you are not a transexual, but an intersex/hermaphrodite who has chosen to have treatment to correct the treatment you were mistakenly given at birth, which was presumably due to a mistaken assessment of your sex based on the superficial appearance of the genitals, rather than based on your genetic makeup.

Treatment of a “transexual” to “change” their sex is immoral. Your treatment to correct mistaken treatment is OK.
 
I would say you are not a transexual, but an intersex/hermaphrodite who has chosen to have treatment to correct the treatment you were mistakenly given at birth, which was presumably due to a mistaken assessment of your sex based on the superficial appearance of the genitals, rather than based on your genetic makeup.

Treatment of a “transexual” to “change” their sex is immoral. Your treatment to correct mistaken treatment is OK.
Thank you for your support, but as I’ve said at least a few times in this thread, ‘hermaphrodite’ is considered an excessively offensive word. Please don’t use it to describe me.

The diagnoses are created by the medical community. They are both considered Gender Identity Disorders. There are two types. GID and GIDNOS. GID covers some things, GIDNOS (NOS stands for not otherwise specified) stands for the others. Clinically there is no difference in what they do for us.
 
Out of curiosity, does the Church consider transsexual (presuming there is no disordered sexual activity such as homosexuality) a sin?
The Church still considers the person as hie or her birth gender. So no matter what they do with their body they are as theory were at birth.

Now in the case of birth defects (these are medical conditions) they are seen as any other medical need. Treatment is allowed if available and correction is not sinful.

Many of us carry burdens that we just need to give up to the LORD and do our best.
 
Now in the case of birth defects (these are medical conditions) they are seen as any other medical need. Treatment is allowed if available and correction is not sinful.

Many of us carry burdens that we just need to give up to the LORD and do our best.
I think the fact of what is or is not a sinful surgery is the biggest question. I have been told conflicting answers to whether or not surgery on myself is a sin.

I have already been operated on once when I was an infant, it left me scarred and incapable of even remotely enjoying unitive pleasure, completely the opposite result one might think was intended for the surgery. They care only about looks, not functionality. They are more worried about what you look like in the lockerroom to other children than actually performing marital duties later in life.

There are surgeries that may undo this damage, but the church forbids them to me as far as I can tell.
 
My wife works for a Social Service agency assisting Developmentally Disabled adults. When a man applied for a job dressed as a woman who was pretending to be a woman after surgery applied for a job the clients commented “there’s something wrong with that person”. He wasn’t hired. Life is tough enough for persons with true handicaps without having to try to figure out what such confusing behavior from a staff member might mean.

Imagine how much more difficult and confusing and damaging such nonsense from a teacher would be.

CDL
 
My wife works for a Social Service agency assisting Developmentally Disabled adults. When a man applied for a job dressed as a woman who was pretending to be a woman after surgery applied for a job the clients commented “there’s something wrong with that person”. He wasn’t hired. Life is tough enough for persons with true handicaps without having to try to figure out what such confusing behavior from a staff member might mean.

Imagine how much more difficult and confusing and damaging such nonsense from a teacher would be.

CDL
I hope your wife listed other reasons for not hiring that individual besides that, it’s illegal in IL to not hire a person for being gay/lesbian/transsexual etc.

I’ve had to move into a state that has a law like that to remain employed for more than a few months. If a background check was ever run on me, my history would be reveled to the employer and I would promptly be terminated. I was homeless for a three month stretch at its worst from it.

Note, that I’m not someone who is ‘out’ about what I am. This is a mostly anonymous forum so I am willing to discuss private issues of my life because no one knows who I am. In reality I operate entirely differently. My employers would conduct a legal background, find my history, then terminate me afterwards and fully state that my condition is why they are firing me. I never had legal recourse until I moved.
 
As one human to another it is wrong to fire someone that is capable to doing a good job. Age, sex, national orgion (accent included;) ) or other non-job related reasons.

But, I also feel that some things are forgotten in our modern PC world.

I think we all have a right to know who is standing next to our young sons or daughters (gender speaking) in the bathroom when they use the facilities. I also think we all have a reasonible expection to privacy and safety in public bathrooms and/or dressing rooms at the pool or beach.

If you look like a woman and dress like a woman and use the bathroom with women then I would expect you to be a woman. Same goes for men.

This issue could all be eliminated with single person facilities. But as this is not the case, then the average person IMHO expects others to use the proper facilities for everyons privacy.
 
This issue could all be eliminated with single person facilities. But as this is not the case, then the average person IMHO expects others to use the proper facilities for everyones privacy.
The last time I used the ‘proper’ facilities, I was assaulted and nearly raped. That isn’t really an option.
 
Transsexuality is NOT the same thing as homosexuality by a long shot, but the difference is too subtle for many people to grasp.

A homosexual wants to relate as a man to another man (or a woman to a woman) sexually.

A transsexual is different. Imagine how you would feel if you woke up and discoved that you had the genitals and other characteristics of the opposite sex. Imagine your astonishment and bewilderment and horror. The reflection in the mirror said one thing, but you KNEW in your deepest heart of hearts that something else was the truth.

THIS is what a pre-op transsexual faces every day of his/her life.

Thirty years ago, there were identical twins boys born. They were circumcised, but the procedure burned off the penis of one of them. Tragedy, I admit. The decision was made to raise this person as a girl, and further surgery was done.

Finally in their teens, they were told the truth. The one raised as a boy was, of course, knocked for a loop. The other said, “I KNEW something was wrong. I always felt the whole world was crazy, and that I was really a boy.” And from that point, he lived as a male. I understand–and I don’t want to know the details–that he had further surgery and is now married.

If transsexuality is confusing to you, think how confusing it is to the one directly concerned.

In any case, these people have to bear the responsibility for their decisions and actions.
 
A transsexual is different. Imagine how you would feel if you woke up and discoved that you had the genitals and other characteristics of the opposite sex. Imagine your astonishment and bewilderment and horror. The reflection in the mirror said one thing, but you KNEW in your deepest heart of hearts that something else was the truth.
Honestly, I think that I would just feel like me. I don’t feel like I am a woman or man. I just feel like me. Now I would be gay as heck because I can’t imagine having sex with a woman. So, I would have to be celibate.
THIS is what a pre-op transsexual faces every day of his/her life.
The transexual thinks he or she feels like the opposite sex.

Until I reached my early thirties, I had a hard time making female friends. I found most women just too emotional and they seemed to have some secret ability to communicate with one another that eluded me. Over the years I have sort of figured out how to get along with my own gender. This doesn’t mean that I was a male in a woman’s body, it just meant that what was normal for other women wasn’t normal for me. So? I was different and I learned to deal with it. I even grew to like myself.

Whatever your feelings are as a man or woman is correct for you and your birth gender. There is no right way to feel as a man or woman.
 
Whatever your feelings are as a man or woman is correct for you and your birth gender. There is no right way to feel as a man or woman.
You’re missing something key here.

Their/our feels ARE this way from birth. The feelings I had since I was born was that I was wrong. I’ve never not questioned the gender I was assigned as a child. The instant I became aware of speech, my parents were horrified at the questions I asked and my mother was a nurse, so it wasn’t just because they were bothered by the medical/anatomy questions. I questioned before I even knew what sex was, how the birds and the bees worked, before anything other than I have this one thing, and others have this other thing between their legs. This persisted through therapy from about the age of 8 until I was kicked out of the house at 18 because I refused to continue the therapy.

I hated my clothes, I hated having to play with the boys, I hated the sports my parents forced me to play, I learned to be quite solitary and distant literally at the age of five. I had one friend of any meaning of the word, and no more for the entirety of my primary/secondary schooling. I have very few happy memories of a child, despite growing up in a relatively normal family otherwise. I tried, thankfully very unsuccessfully, to kill myself at the age of NINE, again at twelve, and again at seventeen.

You are trying to put yourself in our shoes, and that’s noble, but what you’re missing is that since you are not transsexual you can only empathize so far. You cannot speculate on being raised the wrong gender because you weren’t. It’s like trying to speculate on what it’s like to be blind, or deaf, or missing a leg. You can think pretty hard about it, but can you really, honestly, truthfully say you ‘understand’ on any level of meaning?
 
Pathia-

I am reaching out to you in Christian love. I could not imagine such a cross to bear and I do not think many of us could. Some unique situations just call for pastoral care and love… not judgement. You obviously feel a call to Christ’s Church, and His Church is for all. I am sorry if it is unwelcoming to you. We are all sinners in some way, and the Church is a hospital for sinners. That is not to say that I think being intersexual is a sin… it sounds like a medical condition. I would not presume to judge you. Find a good spiritual director and continue on your faith journey. Pray and stay close to Jesus. He alone knows your heart and your burdens. We all need God’s help to keep us on the right path. May He bless you and keep you on this walk.
 
Have any of you really researched this? I have watched a lot of documentaries on this subject…just find it interesting. What we must note, is that transgendered people have very hard lives. They are terribly tormented mentally and think that they need to change themselves physically to be happy. I thinik that they need compassion…It would be sad to have to live a life that you didn’t want.😦
 
Some people, strictly speaking, are not clearly male or female. They are “intersex;” for instance, genetically XY (male) but because of a mutation in the androgen receptor, say, have external characteristics of females. Or born with ambiguous genitalia, not clearly recognizable as male or female.
Wait a minute…I inferred from another thread that we should not care one wit about the science of the medical profession…we must all go with the Church’s position…
 
Wait a minute…I inferred from another thread that we should not care one wit about the science of the medical profession…we must all go with the Church’s position…
The church recognizes that intersexed individuals exist. I have never been able to find any actual official documents on what the church’s opinions of the matter is though.

Most answers seem to qualify that the child should be operated on as an infant, but this is rapidly falling out of favor in the medical community due situations like my own.
 
God created us mail or female. We are not supposed to pervert or deny this in anyway. Having the inclination is one thing, acting on it is another.
In the Bible when it say God created them male and female it was refering to animals. Quite leaning on that verse for you aniti trans agenda please.
 
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