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Midway through the movie, the wife goes to her mother, who has had a stroke, and says, “When did I stop being good enough?”. The movie leaves us hanging on for an answer, but it never produces an answer to her question.

I wonder on the how and why of this question.

Why is it put in to the movie, if they are not going to answer the question and how should the question be answered.

Remember this discussion occurs after the wife asks her husband, “Why do you view pornography on the Web?”.

This question is not answered either?

Why is it put in to the movie, if they are not going to answer the question and how should the question be answered.

I have concluded that contraception is feminine pornography and should be treated as such…
 
I assume that these questions are not answered because there is never a satisfactory answer both for the characters and the audience. To me it suggests uncertainty in self and reminds me how human we are. How oblivious we are. It could be anything though.🤷
 
I’d not watch that movie expecting a dazzling storyline or expert script. It is a well meaning, low budget, protestant effort to make a movie about a sacrament that they cannot fully comprehend. Accept it for what it is if you choose to watch it.
 
I think what was needed was the wife, demolishing her conterceptives…

We had the husband demolishing his computer
 
DonHudzinski said:
Midway through the movie, the wife goes to her mother, who has had a stroke, and says, “When did I stop being good enough?”. The movie leaves us hanging on for an answer, but it never produces an answer to her question.

I wonder on the how and why of this question.

Why is it put in to the movie, if they are not going to answer the question and how should the question be answered.

Remember this discussion occurs after the wife asks her husband, “Why do you view pornography on the Web?”.

This question is not answered either?

Why is it put in to the movie, if they are not going to answer the question and how should the question be answered.

I have concluded that contraception is feminine pornography and should be treated as such…
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Yes, this movie was based upon a Protestant understanding of the Christian faith. It was undertaken by a protestant church, what would you expect.

The question: Actually, the answer was that she had not become “not good enough” … The addiction to pornography distorts the reality and affects both persons. … it did not need to be spoken … not every spoken question needs an audible answer.

Also, while the movie was low budget the story line and dialogue is inacted in homes throughout the nation every day … just as it was written … very true to life … [tape record the high diologue in your exchanges with a spouse 😉 as if it was not being recorded :rolleyes:]

And yes, the story is underlayed by the Christian tradition from which it comes … the disdain shown in some comments is uncalled for. Many Christian couples I know consider their marriages “sacramental” … and I know some 'catholics" who don’t. My husband and I went to a 75th wedding anniversary celebration last October … this couple is not Catholic but they have lived their marriage, every one of the seventy-five plus years as if it was a sacrament.

Want a “Catholic” version of Fireproof … make one … Want a movie to exhibit catholic theology and marriage … write the script, hire the actors and market the film … 👍 I’ll be there …

Please do not disparage this effort to confront some of the evils that attack marriage in our time … the divorce rates amoung catholics is very high :(… affirming marriage in any way is a positive good 👍…

And if nothing else, this movie proves that there is far more that unites us with our seperated brethren then divides - good 😃 and bad 😊 …

As a leader in my parish I was invited to a pre-screening of Fireproof. I also went to see it.

And I believe that the “40 Day Love Challenge” is a good undertaking for married couples during Lent … better than giving up chocolate or beer and faar more productive and beneficial … Just my two cents …
 
As to the questions posed that weren’t answered, I believe they were left to make us think about the same type of questions in our lives.

We loved it, it makes one think. My DH went to work the next week and several guys there had gone with their wives and they discussed it. The general concensus was that ‘it makes you think hard about your marriage and what it means to you’. Most of them had made a personal pledge to treat their spouses better and to uphold their end of things in a more ‘together as a couple’ manner.

That alone from a bunch of guys who are generally ‘in it for me’ (as in 4 wheel ATVs, boats, and other big boy toys) made the movie worth being made, no matter what Christian aspect it came from. I’m sure it’s impacted many others the same way and I’m grateful for the makers. You know they did Facing the Giants as well, which was another great Christian film.
 
I could be wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that there was a Love Dare challenge for Catholics as well. Do not remember where I read it or who wrote it. Even if there’s not a Catholic version, I think the premise behind it is amazing. I’m not married, but it sure opened my eyes to how you have to treat anyone – spouse, parent, friend – any relationship.
 
Remember that Kirk Cameron is not Catholic, not even close.

He is a disciple of a sad, fundamentalist, anti-Catholic zealot, Ray Comfort. Ray is a nominal, misguided “Christian?” who preaches the SS “sola scriptura” and OSAS “Once saved always saved” false doctrines and who is also preaching blatantly against the Catholic Church!

So while his movie Fireproof may have some valid teachings for our times, Kirk and Ray are seriously misguided. Kirk also starred in the movies of the “Left Behind” series, another anti-Catholic set of books teaching false truths that go against the Truth of Jesus Christ and His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

It is truly sad that so many of our Protestant brothers are so sadly misinformed and are preaching against the Catholic Church of Jesus Christ. We must learn our faith and preach the Truth of Jesus to these brothers and sisters who are truly teaching false doctrines.

They would be called “heretics” in previous times, when we were not so afraid and weak.

Pray for Kirk and Ray and all those who love Jesus but are corrupting the Truth of Jesus Christ by the lies of Satan.

Sancta Maria, Matter Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
I believe you lost the point of the posting.

When did women stop being good enough?

When they started contracepting, that is when, and that is becuase contraception is the same thing as male pornography, but done by women.

The two are but one side each of the same coin, to complain about one without complaining about the other is to not recognize the coin.
 
DonHudzinski said:
I believe you lost the point of the posting.

When did women stop being good enough?

When they started contracepting, that is when, and that is becuase contraception is the same thing as male pornography, but done by women.

The two are but one side each of the same coin, to complain about one without complaining about the other is to not recognize the coin.
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You think contraception is only done by women? Who do you think invented it? Whats it for? to indulge the lusts of men. It isn’t “For” women, meaning it doesn’t serve their purpose, it serves the men’s lustful purposes.

Contreception is not the same as male pornography. Female pornography is the same as male pornography.
 
FWIW, a visit to the website www.fireproofmymarriage.com has links specifically to Catholic resources. Methinks that regardless of the Catholic bashing engaged in by Comfort, et.al. there is also recongnition on the part of the makers of the film that Catholics are a major part of and reason for the film’s success.
 
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You think contraception is only done by women? Who do you think invented it? Whats it for? to indulge the lusts of men. It isn’t “For” women, meaning it doesn’t serve their purpose, it serves the men’s lustful purposes.

Contreception is not the same as male pornography. Female pornography is the same as male pornography.
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I have stood at Planned Parenthood many a day and I can say that these women seek to satisfy men’s lust.

I beg to differ, I am not a baby factory, says it serve women, and so does my body my choice.

Men strive for success, they want to achieve in everything. Were is the success in contraceptive sex.
 
Did I miss the part in the movie where she’s using contraceptives?
 
By the way, marriage is a sacrament which does not require a valid priesthood to occur. The couple confer the sacrament on each other. The valid marriage of any baptized man and woman is sacramental.

I haven’t seen the movie. 😛
 
Sillara said:
By the way, marriage is a sacrament which does not require a valid priesthood to occur. The couple confer the sacrament on each other. The valid marriage of any baptized man and woman is sacramental.

I haven’t seen the movie. 😛
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Somewhat true. A Catholic is bound by Catholic Canon law, and so therefore must have a priest or deacon witness the sacrament.
 
agapewolf said:
Somewhat true. A Catholic is bound by Catholic Canon law, and so therefore must have a priest or deacon witness the sacrament.
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Yes. I was unclear. 😊 I was referring to the non-Catholic Christians whose marriages were being referred to as “non-Sacramental.” Also, Catholics can get that requirement dispensed in the case of marrying non-Catholics. It just requires paperwork.
 
I saw this movie and I don’t remember the couple in the movie saying that they use birth control either. The only thing I can guess is that some viewers might assume the couple is using contraceptives because they have no children.

The movie is pretty good for a low budget movie. I like the message that we are called to love others as God loves us, and that as God loves us even though we don’t deserve it so should we love our spouse even when we feel they don’t deserve our love. I also liked how the movie emphasized that love isn’t a feeling, but rather consists in how you treat someone and the unselfish actions you render to that person.

Yes, this is a protestant movie and it shows a bit near the ending, but never gets ham-handed in trying to get the audience to do the sinners prayer or anything like that. The movie was also humorous at times and helped to lighten the mood on an otherwise not so lighthearted topic.

I don’t think this movie will save marriages that are already at the divorce-in-progress stage, but I do think that it might inspire those who are not yet at that point to improve.
 
Sillara said:
Yes. I was unclear. 😊 I was referring to the non-Catholic Christians whose marriages were being referred to as “non-Sacramental.” Also, Catholics can get that requirement dispensed in the case of marrying non-Catholics. It just requires paperwork.
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Also, one must assume it’s both of their first marriages… just to round off the conditions for a non-Catholic, sacramental marriage. 👍
 
Well this thread has so far been interesting. I have been thinking of renting this movie but now don`t know if I will but given some of the junk we are being given to choose from in movies today I could probably do far worse. The thing is I always get irritated with movies with the evangelical viewpoint of Christianity even when they mean well or are promoting an otherwise universal value we all have as Christians’ in this case the value and sanctity of marriage, misuse of people for sexual reasons in general.
 
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