First Cause is sentient

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So, brain processes do not have to be strictly only a natural process.
If you are nothing but an amalgamation of blind natural processes, then nothing you do or say or think is the result of rational intention. It just the end result of unintentional non-rational activity; just a by-product of biochemical reactions.
 
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Physical processes can create derivative realities known as consciousness which is capable of rational decision making. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one.
Well, since you haven’t actually made an argument and simply chosen to reduce everything to moving parts, there really isn’t much to debate. Secondly i have no problem with the idea that our brain generates our sensory experiences. That’s not the problem. I simply disagree with your assertions in regards to rational intention, because it is clear to me that intentional activity is the antithesis of a process that moves naturally to a particular end, thus intentionality cannot be reduced to natural activity alone.

Unless you can explain how it is logically possible for a natural process to move with intention while at the same time remaining fundamentally natural in it’s activity, there is no debate.
 
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Anyway, please explain in physics terms exactly how this idea of “Now” has been demonstrated scientifically or is called for by relativity or quantum mechanics. I haven’t heard of any physicists or scientists applying St. Augustine’s Confessions to their science experiments.
You are focussing on what is known as the Specious Present rather than the Now, the Actual Present, which cannot be perceived nor interacted with consciously (at least not in the bodily way you define consciousness):


Here is a little quote identifying psychologically what you are trying to do in your understanding of time with consciousness of the present, introducing a paper (APA PsycNet):

The duration of the present.​

Journal Article Database: PsycINFO

Efron, Robert

Citation​

Efron, R. (1967). The duration of the present. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, 138 (2), 713-729.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1967.tb55017.x

Abstract​

DURATION OF THE PRESENT IS REINTERPRETED AS DURATION OF A PERCEPTION. PERCEPTION ONSET FOLLOWS A NEURAL PROCESSING PERIOD OF 60-70 MSEC. PROBLEMS IN DEFINING THE DURATION OF A PERCEPTION ARISE FROM DATA SUGGESTING MORE THAN 1 PROCESSING PERIOD AND FAILURE TO KNOW WHAT INITIATES THESE PERIODS AND HOW RECEPTOR DATA IS INTEGRATED. THE RELATION OF PERCEPTION DURATION TO PROCESSING PERIOD DURATION IS ALSO NOT UNDERSTOOD. TIME IS AN ION AND IS ITSELF NOT PERCEIVED. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2017 APA, all rights reserved)
You simply need to do a quick google search for something like this to find a plethora of citings explaining just as I have that “Now” has no duration and cannot be perceived:
search for: “the duration of present”

“Now” is simple, “Perception” is complex. Soul is simple, brain is complex.
 
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You have also posited millions, if not billions, of brain patterns. Those brain patterns occur regardless of whether you call them passive or not. So, you’ve got 2 things, i.e. soul and brain. I’ve got 1, i.e. brain. Mine’s a simpler explanation.
No, you already mentioned that there is more than natural process in the brain. This means that you also have accepted that there are two things at least, material process and something else.
 
I have posited only 1 entity necessary for brain patterns, i.e. the brain.
The brain is necessary but not sufficient for the production of brain patterns. If it were then there would be no difference in the brain patterns generated by a live being and a dead being.

We don’t need an MRI machine to inform us that there is an essential difference between “live dog” and “dead dog”. That difference, we call “soul”.
 
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I have posited only 1 entity necessary for brain patterns, i.e. the brain.
The brain is necessary but not sufficient for the production of brain patterns. If it were then there would be no difference in the brain patterns generated by a live being and a dead being.

We don’t need an MRI machine to inform us that there is an essential difference between “live dog” and “dead dog”. That difference, we call “soul”.
Demikhov used to transplant dog’s heads. What happened to the soul? And if you are brain dead, has your soul left? Or does it stay with the body if the brain dies?
 
You want me to explain how it is logically possible for the brain to create consciousness then?
No I want you to explain how intention can be achieved with only blind natural processes.

I don’t want you to just assert that intentional activity is identical with blind natural processes.
 
You want me to explain how it is logically possible for the brain to create consciousness then? Simple. The brain uses complex circuitry, relays and electro-chemical structures to create using properties of matter a derivative reality of ideas, colors, sounds, language, thoughts, logic, reasoning, math, feelings, sights, self-awareness, tastes, etc. to create intentionality.
That is not an explanation but a claim. If matter is unconscious then you need an explanation on how it could become conscious.
 
Yes, but so has John Martin. We both would agree that God can intervene or let Himself be known in the soul or the brain. Ok, so the score is 3 to 2. I still have the simpler argument.
Material activity, according to physicist, cannot give rise or cause a entity.
 
Demikhov used to transplant dog’s heads. What happened to the soul? And if you are brain dead, has your soul left? Or does it stay with the body if the brain dies?
Did Demikhov experiments simply prolong the dogs’ death event? None survived the ordeal very long. The immaterial souls animated each dog’s brain until the brains could no longer be animated.

The “brain dead” protocol in use today is not the equivalent of “biologically dead”. As long as any biological capability of the body is functioning, the soul is present. (The “brain dead” protocol is in place to justify a decision to either remove the ventilator or leave it on and remove the patient’s organs. The former has no moral objection, the latter not so much.)
 
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Demikhov used to transplant dog’s heads. What happened to the soul? And if you are brain dead, has your soul left? Or does it stay with the body if the brain dies?
Did Demikhov experiments simply prolong the dogs’ death event? None survived the ordeal very long. The immaterial souls animated each dog’s brain until the brains could no longer be animated.

The “brain dead” protocol in use today is not the equivalent of “biologically dead”. As long as any biological capability of the body is functioning, the soul is present.
So the dog’s soul went with the brain. There’s a connection there. Soul and brain.

If you are being kept alive artifically and you are brain dead then the soul leaves? Or does it hang around until you unplug the machinery?
 
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So the dog’s soul went with the brain. There’s a connection there. Soul and brain.
Yes, as originally posted – brain and soul both necessary for brain waves.
If you are being kept alive artifically and you are brain dead then the soul leaves? Or does it hang around until you unplug the machinery?
If you are dead and I keep raising and lowering your arm, you’re still dead. Same with the machines.
 
So, I take it there is no scientific evidence of your claim of “Now” time, because you say it cannot be perceived. So then, why should anyone believe “Now” time is real?
And here, below, is your “scientific evidence”, mr. science must be your name, that
YOU PROVE WITH YOUR SCIENCE THAT:
  1. the first cause does not have sense organs,
  2. consciousness is a created derivative reality based on (name removed by moderator)ut from sense organs.
  3. the First Cause does possess a mind, [and your scientific proof:] because the First Cause has a mysterious decision making ability and is the storehouse of knowledge of all potential creations.
  4. The First Cause has an uncaused mind, which is not the same as a caused sentient consciousness.
  5. The uncaused mind of the First Cause is mysterious, but not a mindless mechanism.
  6. The First Cause must have intellect and will in order to decide what to make real and what not to make real out of the infinite possibilities for creation.
  7. the First Cause must have the capacity to choose what the initial information for the Universe will be upon the first appearance of that information in the Big Bang.
  8. The mind of the First Cause is infinitely greater than any created sentient consciousness.
Wow, such SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE you here provided; I am just AWE-STRUCK BY YOUR VAST WISDOM.
The First Cause is not sentient, because the First Cause does not possess sense organs. Consciousness is a created derivative reality based on (name removed by moderator)ut from sense organs. So, the First Cause is also not conscious because the First Cause does not possess sense organs. However, the First Cause does possess a mind, because the First Cause has a mysterious decision making ability and is the storehouse of knowledge of all potential creations. The First Cause has an uncaused mind, which is not the same as a caused sentient consciousness. The uncaused mind of the First Cause is mysterious, but not a mindless mechanism. The First Cause must have intellect and will in order to decide what to make real and what not to make real out of the infinite possibilities for creation. Moreover, the First Cause must have the capacity to choose what the initial information for the Universe will be upon the first appearance of that information in the Big Bang. The mind of the First Cause is infinitely greater than any created sentient consciousness.
But you don’t stop there; you find an article that states that “Brain scans uncover a key sign of consciousness”, but you with your self-science declare the “answer” that no-one but you knows:
P.S. The answer is, of course, that the brain creates consciousness.
There is no science with you, and you will not recognize “Now”, no matter how you protest that you can perceive.
 
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Bradskii:
So the dog’s soul went with the brain. There’s a connection there. Soul and brain.
Yes, as originally posted – brain and soul both necessary for brain waves.
If you are being kept alive artifically and you are brain dead then the soul leaves? Or does it hang around until you unplug the machinery?
If you are dead and I keep raising and lowering your arm, you’re still dead. Same with the machines.
I guess just like when my car isn’t working. When it’s ‘dead’. It needs the fuel and the electricity just like I do. But I can pump the pedal (lift the arm) and nothing happens. It’s not like the motor is running but it won’t move. Everything has stopped. It’s brain dead. As you said: Same with machines.

The thing is, nothing ‘left’ my car. Nothing was there that allowed it to work other than the mechanical and electrical parts working as they should.

Just like me.
 
P.S. The answer is, of course, that the brain creates consciousness.
Why accept this sequence, 1) God creates matter and then matter causes consciousness instead of simply this sequence, 2) God creates consciousness. By Occam Razor (2) should be the correct one.
 
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John_J_Bannan:
P.S. The answer is, of course, that the brain creates consciousness.
Why accept this sequence, 1) God creates matter and then matter causes consciousness instead of simply this sequence, 2) God creates consciousness. By Occam Razor (2) should be the correct one.
Ocam’s Razor removes God.
 
Ocam’s Razor removes God.
How? Could you please elaborate? Are you talking about the state of consciousness?

I think we are collection of minds interacting through materials. This is the minimal solution which clearly explain the reality we experience. Mind is necessary in this picture because there is a fantastic relation between what we want and what happens. Materials are internal and external reality that we experience.
 
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