First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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Irishmom2 said:
We will be watching. Either my husband or I will be sitting with the remote in hand, ready to mute the sound whenever Hillary becomes too much to bear. Yeah, pretty much every time her lips are moving. šŸ˜ƒ
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I did not watch at all. Why should I torture myself? It is just prudent to guard our eyes and our ears.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Agree.He has had a few good moments but overall HC has been condescending and arrogant.He has been too nervous and all over the place with his delivery .Good Grief!!
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yes. he has been all over the place.
she is very condescending!
 
Not a good performance by Trump at all. Heā€™s all over the place and has allowed HRC to push his buttons and get him to run off on rambling tangents. Not a good showing.
 
According to the look on her face though, he got in some good zingers. She did not look happy.
 
Trump was so unprepared, and he missed so many opportunities from hitting Hillary on her private server re: cyber security, to the Iran nuke deal/her selling 20% of our uranium,and then re: Trump stiffing people he failed to hit her back with her stealing millions from everyone all over the world (Haiti, etc.). Trump spent way too much time defending himself because heā€™s egotistical, he should have hit Hillary more, so that she was the one on the defense. He didnā€™t come across as Presidential IMO, especially with his facial expressions, his interruptions and some of his comments. Trumpā€™s team really needs to sit him down and work with him for these debates, but my guess is that Trump is going to do what he wants. Hillary talks well about the issues, but I didnā€™t hear much about her plans and solutions. Poor performance by Trump.
 
Irishmom2 said:
According to the look on her face though, he got in some good zingers. She did not look happy.
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He did, though.

I think that you had to listen carefully to what he said, because it seemed like he was slipping those jabs in in a subtle kind of way.
 
Not a perfect performance by Clinton, but a very strong one. And a woefully unprepared performance by Trump.
 
kat07 said:
Trump was so unprepared, and he missed so many opportunities from hitting Hillary on her private server re: cyber security, to the Iran nuke deal/her selling 20% of our uranium,and then re: Trump stiffing people he failed to hit her back with her stealing millions from everyone all over the world (Haiti, etc.). Trump spent way too much time defending himself because heā€™s egotistical, he should have hit Hillary more, so that she was the one on the defense. He didnā€™t come across as Presidential IMO, especially with his facial expressions, his interruptions and some of his comments. Trumpā€™s team really needs to sit him down and work with him for these debates, but my guess is that Trump is going to do what he wants. Hillary talks well about the issues, but I didnā€™t hear much about her plans and solutions. Poor performance by Trump.
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I am not sure he was unprepared, but he flustered too easily. She is a pro at these so she had the upperhand. I was hoping Trump would appear more confident. He did get in some good zingers. I think he did good for it being his first big debate. He needs to appear more thoughtful and presidential. He interrupts too much.
 
I think the big loser in this debate was Lester Holt. The debate might as well have been unmoderated. But maybe those were the rules Lester had to abide by. No calling out anyone who fails to answer the questions.
 
I feel sorry for America.

Both of them are terrible, and the country is going to be a mess either way.

Not a jab, I actually feel sad
 
I thought that this was a very revealing exchange:

Clinton: ā€œDonald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis.ā€
Trump: ā€œThatā€™s called business buddy.ā€

As someone commented in the Washington Post: ā€œComing to an ad near youā€
 
Trump was all-over-the-place. By British standards, heā€™d be judged an absolute flop. He seemed like a frenzied man-child, whereas she came across as the adult in the room.

There were no health ā€œhiccupsā€, she clearly proved her stamina. She had well-rehearsed jokes, levity and rattled him. He interrupted her some 26 times in the opening moments, he raised his voice and intimated that he had rough things to say about her family that he was keeping under wraps.

Clinton by contrast was poised, calm and clearly got under his skin. BADLY. He should not have went for her with the vigor that he did - it gave Clinton the chance to have that ā€œmomentā€ - letā€™s call it - when she interacted with the audience and laughed at the sheer fury of his tirade against her. I think that was the key moment of the debate that will be remembered. She didnā€™t even have to say anything - Trump gifted her with a major win.

Clinton won hands-down. She accepted responsibility for her email crisis, like a ā€œgrown-upā€ and that simply ended the issue. It should have been a weak spot for her in the debate - instead it fell flat and the buck fell to Trump to explain the ā€œbirtherā€ topic. Not good for Trump.

The debate from then on became fixated upon Trumpā€™s tax returns and evasion of federal tax. He handled that dreadfully, precisely due to the fact that he did not deflect it with HUMILITY like she did. His pride could not permit it and as the saying goes ā€œpride goeth before a fallā€.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I think the big loser in this debate was Lester Holt. The debate might as well have been unmoderated. But maybe those were the rules Lester had to abide by. No calling out anyone who fails to answer the questions.
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Holt actually did call Trump out over his claim that there is any evidence that he was against the Iraq War before it started.
 
Hereā€™s my take on the debate

Trumpā€™s goal was to seem reasonable and stay out of the gutter. I think he did that

Hillaryā€™s two goals were to show that Trump was not to be trusted with the keys of the nation and show she had the stamina to be president. I donā€™t know if she accomplished that first goal, but I think she accomplished the second.

Trump definitely communicated that Clinton was for status quo; and Hillary seemed to embrace that.

Will this change the numbers? Maybe
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I think the big loser in this debate was Lester Holt. The debate might as well have been unmoderated. But maybe those were the rules Lester had to abide by. No calling out anyone who fails to answer the questions.
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I didnā€™t think Lester did a good job either and it seemed whenever Trump was making an uncomfortable point about Hillary, Holt would try to interrupt.
 
Vouthon said:
OMG

Trump was all-over-the-place. By British standards, heā€™d be judged an absolute flop. He seemed like a frenzied man-child, whereas she came across as the adult in the room.

There were no health ā€œhiccupsā€, she clearly proved her stamina. She had well-rehearsed jokes, levity and rattled him. He interrupted her some 26 times in the opening moments, he raised his voice and intimated that he had rough things to say about her family that he was keeping under wraps.

Clinton by contrast was poised, calm and clearly got under his skin. BADLY. He should not have went for her with the vigor that he did - it gave Clinton the chance to have that ā€œmomentā€ - letā€™s call it - when she interacted with the audience and laughed at the sheer fury of his tirade against her. I think that was the key moment of the debate that will be remembered. She didnā€™t even have to say anything - Trump gifted her with a major win.

Clinton won hands-down. She accepted responsibility for her email crisis, like a ā€œgrown-upā€ and that simply ended the issue.

The debate from then on became fixated upon Trumpā€™s tax returns and evasion of federal tax. He handled that dreadfully, precisely due to the fact that he did not deflect it with HUMILITY like she did. His pride could not permit it and as the saying goes"pride goeth before a fall".
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Hi Vouthon,

I understand what youā€™re saying, regarding who won the debate.

Looking at it as a resident of this country, I donā€™t think anyone won.

What I mean by that is, the questions that both candidates were asked were things that we already know, if weā€™ve been keeping up with the news.

I would like to hear about something that maybe we donā€™t hear about all that often, or maybe even a new or different topic.

I personally donā€™t think that itā€™s all that helpful to just keep rehashing the same topics over again.

Anyway, thatā€™s my opinion of what I think.

I donā€™t really know that I feel up to watching any further debates. I donā€™t usually watch them for this very reasonā€“you donā€™t really learn anything new from them, and itā€™s just usually a lot of personal ā€œmud-slingingā€ between the candidates.
 
Jeanne_S said:
I may take your advice re the remaining two debates!šŸ˜‰
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I have already made up my mind. No matter how the candidate I support performs in debate, I will still vote for that person. No matter how cunning or mighty the other candidate performs, I will still not vote for that person. Therefore, it is needless for me to watch. I just hope and pray Americans will know the dire consequence if they cast the wrong vote. If they cast the wrong vote, America will be no more, finished,period. The consequence is deadly serious.

We are voting for policies and morals, not for eloquence and performance. We cannot vote for a liar, a baby killer, a gay sex promoter, a transgender promoter, and a person repeatedly affirms that religious belief must be changed. If that candidate gets elected. the Church will be persecuted. We may not have a church to go. It means Catholic lights out.
 
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