First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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oldgraymare2 said:
Hi Vouthon,

I understand what you’re saying, regarding who won the debate.

Looking at it as a resident of this country, I don’t think anyone won.

What I mean by that is, the questions that both candidates were asked were things that we already know, if we’ve been keeping up with the news.

I would like to hear about something that maybe we don’t hear about all that often, or maybe even a new or different topic.

I personally don’t think that it’s all that helpful to just keep rehashing the same topics over again.

Anyway, that’s my opinion of what I think.

I don’t really know that I feel up to watching any further debates. I don’t usually watch them for this very reason–you don’t really learn anything new from them, and it’s just usually a lot of personal “mud-slinging” between the candidates.
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I agree. also, just because someone is a good debater doesn’t necessarily mean they have the qualities to be a good president.
 
gilliam said:
Here’s my take on the debate

Trump’s goal was to seem reasonable and stay out of the gutter. I think he did that

Hillary’s two goals were to show that Trump was not to be trusted with the keys of the nation and show she had the stamina to be president. I don’t know if she accomplished that first goal, but I think she accomplished the second.

Trump definitely communicated that Clinton was for status quo; and Hillary seemed to embrace that.

Will this change the numbers? Maybe
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The simple truth is that Clinton appeared presidential by comparison with Trump’s dismal performance tonight. He came across as very temperamental, she came across as super controlled.

The last section of the debate was handled particularly poorly by him.
 
The only thing Trump said that I found disturbing, was that he’d support Hillary if she won. Other than that I thought he did OK. He was the angrier of the two, and he won the Republican primaries by being the angriest candidate.
 
Vouthon said:
The simple truth is that Clinton appeared presidential by comparison with Trump’s dismal performance tonight. He came across as very temperamental, she came across as super controlled.
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Or a typical conniving politician; depending on your political persuasion. I kept getting flash backs of Jeb Bush and Richard Nixon during their debate performances (but that may just be me.) I’m not sure how it will play over the next week. Will need to watch the numbers.
The last section of the debate was handled particularly poorly by him.
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Trump is not a good debater. He missed a lot of openings and he really should have practiced more.

I think the moderator lost control of the debate half way through and the audience towards the end.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I agree. also, just because someone is a good debater doesn’t necessarily mean they have the qualities to be a good president.
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If a person cannot remain steady and coherent during a debate, how he is going to handle the immense stresses of high office?

Trump seemed entirely rattled and jaded by the end of this 90 minute verbal tussle with Clinton.

She was totally unruffled at the end. And yet everyone has been banging on about her health. She completely tossed that issue aside and proved her stamina, whereas Trump crumpled under the pressure.

I only say it as I saw it. Had Trump been on form, I’d have conceded it.

But he looked utterly out of his depth at the end. Not good for his portfolio with regards the job.

Trump said before that he hates losers. Well…😉
 
gilliam said:
Or a typical conniving politician; depending on your political persuasion. I kept getting flash backs of Jeb Bush and Richard Nixon during their debate performances (but that may just be me.) I’m not sure how it will play over the next week. Will need to watch the numbers.

Trump is not a good debater. He missed a lot of openings and he really should have practiced more.

I think the moderator lost control of the debate half way through and the audience towards the end.
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Yeah, the moderator was not keeping a good check at all on that audience. 🙂

I heard booing, cussing and whooping. 🤷
 
Another exchange:

Clinton: “Donald thinks climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I think it’s real.” Trump denies it.

A tweet from Donald Trump:

Donald J. Trump ✔️ @realDonaldTrump
The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
11:15 AM - 6 Nov 2012
 
Vouthon said:
Yeah, the moderator was not keeping a good check at all on that audience. 🙂

I heard booing, cussing and whooping. 🤷
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With no breaks, he is in a hard position. If he stood up and talked to the audience he would have interrupted the debate himself.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am not sure he was unprepared, but he flustered too easily. She is a pro at these so she had the upperhand. I was hoping Trump would appear more confident. He did get in some good zingers. I think he did good for it being his first big debate. He needs to appear more thoughtful and presidential. He interrupts too much.
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That’s true. He does interrupt too much and it looks rude. He did also get some good points in. He needs to improve because Hillary is well trained.
 
Vouthon said:
If a person cannot remain steady and coherent during a debate, how he is going to handle the immense stresses of high office?

Trump seemed entirely rattled and jaded by the end of this 90 minute verbal tussle with Clinton.

She was totally unruffled at the end. And yet everyone has been banging on about her health. She completely tossed that issue aside and proved her stamina, whereas Trump crumpled under the pressure.

I only say it as I saw it. Had Trump been on form, I’d have conceded it.

But he looked utterly out of his depth at the end. Not good for his portfolio with regards the job.

Trump said before that he hates losers. Well…😉
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I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate.

For me, it would not have any deciding factor.

A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they’re asked to discuss. They’re only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That’s hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic.
 
oldgraymare2 said:
I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate.

For me, it would not have any deciding factor.

A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they’re asked to discuss. They’re only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That’s hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic.
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The point is, his stamina was seriously flagging by the end - just from a 90 minute debate with a political opponent.

It just does not look professional or dependable, from an exterior perspective it actually made Clinton look tough and him like a bit of a plastic bag really.
 
It just drove me crazy the way Trump kept Interrupting Hillary at the beginning. I thought he was acting like a superior male who needed to put this insubordinate woman in her place. Do you people really want to put this scary guy in charge of our nuclear weapons?
 
Trump was good toward the beginning of the debate when he talked about trade and our bad trade deals, particularly NAFTA, which contributed to putting Americans out of work. He also pointed out Hillary’s long tenure in government (as well as Obama’s) and the notion she did not get much done during all this time. Other than that, and for the remainder of the debate, Trump’s performance was not so good, to put it charitably. He was not well prepared on the topic of race relations and especially that of national defense. Further, his body language and grimaces were one of a fidgety and disgruntled individual. He looked tired and drank a lot of water. He also constantly interrupted Hillary. Hillary, on the other hand, looked fresh and did not drink any water at all. One might have expected the opposite, considering her health condition. (Could this have been her double? LOL) As to the content of her remarks, she was at her best when attacking Trump on his failure to report his taxes and his business dealings. The rest of her comments were typical generalities that all politicians offer. She appeared in command and in control of the debate, on the offensive, while Trump seemed more on the defensive. All in all, she gave a strong performance, whereas it was quite obvious Trump did not prepare adequately. Remember, however, that Obama’s first debate against Romney was also bad, but he came back in the second debate. Time will tell.
 
oldgraymare2 said:
I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate.

For me, it would not have any deciding factor.

A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they’re asked to discuss. They’re only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That’s hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic.
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I agree. I learned nothing about either one of their plans to address a single issue.

I doubt I’ll watch the other debates.
 
Vouthon said:
The point is, his stamina was seriously flagging by the end - just from a 90 minute debate with a political opponent.

It just does not look professional or dependable, from an exterior perspective it actually made Clinton look tough and him like a bit of a plastic bag really.
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I don’t think that you can go by looks, and by what kind of stamina someone supposedly does or doesn’t have.

It was in the news recently that Secretary Clinton had pneumonia.

I hope that she’s feeling better now.

I’ve had pneumonia a few times. It can take several weeks to feel better.
 
oldgraymare2 said:
I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate.

For me, it would not have any deciding factor.

A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they’re asked to discuss. They’re only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That’s hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic.
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Perhaps the debate did not affect you because you are already committed to Trump. But with regard to the undecided voters, Trump did nothing (so far) to move them in his direction, whereas Hillary did better on this score. Both of them need the Independents on their team.
 
In news that will surprise no one who is paying attention, Hillary cleaned his clock.

He’s a lovely man, I’m sure; he’s just not our next President.
 
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